Discussion in 'Politics & The Economy' started by crashcris, May 24, 2019.
After dragging the Tories down to their least popular polling position ever, who should take over?
Come on dude, change that title.
Treasonous Mayhem - who's he?
What did he resign from?
Personally I would prefer Amber Rudd but I doubt she has any hope of winning the contest whatsoever.
Okay, was just attempting a little levity and am willing to change the title, however, as far as I can see, the title is the only bit of the thread I cannot change (Oops). If you know how I can change it, please let me know. Thanks. Cris
ps, I've asked one of the mods to either change it or tell me how to.
You are the OP , just click thread tools and edit title , tis easy .
It’s okay, the mods have fulfilled my request.
As a General election could be looming, the Conservatives need to pick a known candidate who can win. Boris is the only one who is very well known. He has won in London twice so has a good track record.
The next General election looks like being a tough one for Labour and Conservatives. Both parties have to look for a leader who can take them to victory. If they ignore the Brexit party and Nigel Farage it will be at their peril.
He is also toxic for the left, centre-left and Scotland. With Boris the Tories will neutralise the Brexit Party but empower the Lib Dems and SNP which would deny them a majority.
But would any other candidate do better than Boris? Many people are not political anoraks like us in this forum and probably don't know many of the other candidates. People like to pick someone they know.
As for the 'left' not liking Boris, well London is pretty left and he was a double winner.
The Brexit party is a challenge for the Labour party as well, not Corbyn followers and the Islington set, but ordinary working class labour voters- especially in the north where the Brexit vote was strongest.
Farage is indicating he will field many candidates at the next GE.
His party is well organised (unlike Change UK) and could surprise the established parties.
Fair points. I do have reservations about Boris but he is very well known, and, like you say, has had some success in left London (guess there are som very right wing parts of London too).
No Tory is going to win over a great deal of Labour voters but thats just the way it is.
Me Mum and Dad voted Labour so i’m voting Labour. Or, Thatcher was a Tory so to hell with them, still runs strong in parts.
Still, a controlled No deal Brexit and Boris Island back on the agenda if he wins...
It is interesting seeing all the other party politicos and left leaning journo's putting the boot in on Boris early on. Going to pick him.
Not that I like the idea. But then I don't have a vote.
Edit. The voting system will give an idea as it trundles along. Wonder who is polling their comrades. Did I hear one political hack say that one MP claimed was just saying yes to all the possibles?
I’ve gone with Boris purely for the comedy factor. He will be different that’s for sure. It worked for Drumpf so probably will work for Boris.
Perhaps we need a change. The Tories definitely do before they end up with no one ever voting for them again.
Well, I was right about Amber Rudd not getting very far - she has ruled herself out this morning. I think the next best option for me is Rory Stewart although his soft Brexit stance probably means he has no chance at winning the leadership.
In other news, I see that Labour have declared they will call an immediate no confidence vote in the new leader (whoever that is), once they are in post.
Oh Labour are a funny bunch. It should be a walk in the park, any more open goals and you'd think that the Conservatives are match fixing. Yet Labour just can't get it into the net.
Conservatives are absolutely terrible, yet Labour manages to be even worse...
I would have thought a no confidence vote was an obvious inevitability given Labour's position on a General Election. I think it is unlikely to pass regardless of who becomes leader given DUP support and a reluctance from the likes of Change UK to support it.
A no confidence vote ahead of even knowing who they don't have confidence in is just silly and a waste of our time and money. It just demonstrates that they do not want to make any of this work and have no intention of playing along nicely with anyone else.
I'd no idea who Rory Stewart was until I saw him on Breakfast this morning. Crikey, what a scary, ugly looking guy. Sorry if that offends anyone here but we do live in modern times and image is just about as important as policy.
I'd vote for Esther McVey after hearing her on LBC yesterday. She looks great, young(ish), and says the right things (even if her voice is a little bit Mrs Merton).
Definitely this. Plus the added factor of no deal Brexit. Win Win for me
I think entrenchment exists throughout; the HoC have been playing Brexit Chess for two years now and I can’t see any change, and probably made worse if the new PM is chasing no deal.
I suspect what Boris says and what Boris does will be two entirely different things. But that's fine because "it's Boris".
The Labour position is they will have no democratic mandate. Ergo it doesn't matter who is elected and why they can articulate their position now.
Opposite post to @crashcris
Only one person for me, Rory.
Great sense of duty with an impressive history of dedicated public service. Not a politician, while also not one of those numerous cliche "not a politician" gobsh*te populists.
After hearing Esther McVey on LBC yesterday, I'm even less impressed by the former mediocre TV presenter turned mediocre and lying politician than I originally wasn't. I wince a tad whenever she delivers (the word) Brexit as Brexeuuueuuth.
Boris - let's finally have a leaver delivering on leave.
But he's so terrifyingly fugly. "Something of the night" wouldn't even begin to describe him.
Yeah but I usually don't select my preference for a leader/PM on fudgeability
Guardian grudgingly admitting it.
Boris Johnson’s bid for Tory leadership gathers momentum
If you want to attract new/younger voters any party would be stupid not to appreciate the value of fudgeability. Even Corbyn has a sort of "Gilf" about him, not for me but the Glastonbury type crowd (young voters) go nuts for him even with all the anti-Semitism, and terrorist hugging. Boris has the "Dilf" going for him.
But they do. So your interpretation of what labours position is not accurate.
Yep only one for me amongst that bunch of clowns is Rory Stewart.
Hunt, Johnson and McVey the worst of that bunch. Obviously Johnson is gonna contend, but hopefully McVey and Hunt at least get nowhere near the final nominations.
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