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  1. IronGiant

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    Sorry, looks like it's been stripped :D
    56 mile range by the way.
     
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    Would you want to drive it any longer than that? :D
     
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    Fair point.
     
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    Seriously though, for a commuter /shopping kart it's ideal.
    Completely crippled by it's minimum £45 a month battery lease :facepalm:

    I'd quite happily leave my 7 seater 3 litre oil burner on the drive and run that around town. Except that I put less than £30 of fuel in it a month...
     
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    There are a lot of Zoe owners out there that really want a Twizy as a town runabout but as stated it’s the damn battery lease that is the killer most people would probably only put 2 or 3k on it a year max and at £50 a month for th3 batter6 lease no top of insurance etc it really makes it impractical

    Yes hands up I would love one even if it is the most impractical transport out there.
     
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    Not entirely sure how they think hiring a battery at those monthly prices is the correct business model. Strange decision.
     
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    Their stance is that it lowers the overall cost of ownership. Their argument being that otherwise the vehicles would be thousands of pounds more expensive, and if you were paying that on Finance it would cost you more. They might even be right, but it still feels like these things are costing an "extra" £45 a month in running costs.
     
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    Yes, it's a sneaky way of having a much lower headline value which they'll show in big writing everywhere, then the small print of 'sorry you have to pay £50 a month on top of that'.
     
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    I've sat in a few of those, windows(and doors??) are use to be optional extras. Really feel like a fun car.

    I don't understand Renaults obsession with battery rental, they are the only EV manfacture still pushing it. Really kills the car from the long-term ownership point of view.
     
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    Yup, discounted a second-hand Zoe from a dealership for that reason. 2y old car was ~£8.5K, with about 4K miles on it, which was fine, but then I'd be expected to pay £70/month battery rental before doing anything with it!

    It strikes me that Renault is pushing the battery rental thing because they don't have much faith in their technology, but whilst they can get the motorist to stump-up a monthly fee they don't care.


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    I draw an analogy back to the days when many people rented their TVs, the technology was expensive and unreliable, so it made sense to have someone else worry about it breaking. The same was true with EV's when the technology was untested. But now we have a better understanding of it it's practical to own the batteries now. For some reason, Renault is being a bit slow to update their business model.
     
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    Renault pushed battery lease as it dropped the headline purchase price of the car down into ICE car price territory they then tried to sell the battery lease as "like paying for fuel"

    This was ok back in 2011/12 things have moved on Nissan dropped the battery lease and quietly rolled battery ownership into cars in dealer stock secondhand

    The same will happen with Renault the majority of new 41kw Zoe's sold now are the I battery owned version. I suspect we will see the leases removed and the price go up on dealer stock of older Cara at some point it's happening elsewhere in Europe

    The battery owned versions cost £5000 more to the penny than the battery lease versions when new

    So if you do over 12k miles a year the lease is £120 a month

    So if you own the battery you are even at month 41 and of course have a higher value car to sell secondhand as it is lease free
     
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    My issue is why it costs £45 a month to hire a 6KWh battery, it's a complete joke.

    If a 41kwh battery is £120 a month in real terms a 6Wh one should be around £17.
     
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    Exactly. It’s smaller than the battery in most plug-in hybrids. There is no justification for it.
     
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    Don't laugh, I can buy a G.Wiz with a new battery pack for less than £3K, I'm almost tempted...
     
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    I Know I see loads of them at one of the very posh houses on Avenue Road, on the way into Central London most mornings, makes me chuckle, 15 Million House and a Family scooting about in GWizs. I noticed last week a couple of the private parking companies have started using them. Saw one with one of the Gorillas that used to be on the Clamping trucks in it, he looked very unhappy and a bit like a circus gorilla stuffed in a box, was taking up both seats and bending down as his head was against the roof, must get a photo next time I see him..

    There are some good Lithium coverted GWizs out there from the old Lead Acid Versions,... What about a Mahindra E2o a few of them out there since they pulled out of the UK, like a GWiz but with Rapid Charge and SatNav.. ;-)
     

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