I own an E30 so I am not in anyway anti-panasonic it seems to me that the majority of threads on these forums are panasonic based. I think this is hugely affecting people's first dvdr buy Due to more panny owners, due to the HS2 being the first decent HD DVDR try not to be blind to the other machines if you have sky+ or a normal sky box or freeview that outputs s-video then there are many more options HD Versions Panny HS2 (40Gb) mid £500 MR Panny E100 (80Gb) mid £700 MR Tosh XS30 (60Gb) under £500 (£520 MR aparantly) Poineer 5100 (80Gb) mid £600 I think without doubt the best machine of these is the Poineer closely followed by the Tosh. Unless you need firewire I don't really think the Poineer justifies the extra money. I am just shocked how many people are buying the E100 on these forums. If you are buying a new dvdr I would advise you do more research than just these As for none HD versions the JVC / Poineer 3100 / Tosh DR1 all appear excellent machines that have huge advantages over the E50 just advise, act on it, ignore it, whatever. It is just here.