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The Top 500 Universities- Interesting if a little flawed

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  1. Ed Selley

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    Just dredged this out of the internet http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm and thought it was quite interesting. This one has been evaluated on facilities and research carried out- in other words they could teach students nothing at all but provided they bagged a nobel prize a year they'd be fine. As such my BA university (KCL) gets in at 81 which isn't bad but my MA location (SSEES) doesn't really do research so doesn't score- which is a shame as it is very good to be there as a student. Still if there is anyone who's thinking about their university choices it might come in handy. Also if anyone has attended Stanford (or even knows someone that does) make themselves known- it always scores brilliantly but I've never met anyone that claimed to go there.
    Anyway- the list.

    1 Harvard Univ
    2 Univ Cambridge
    3 Stanford Univ
    4 Univ California - Berkeley
    5 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
    6 California Inst Tech
    7 Columbia Univ
    8 Princeton Univ
    9 Univ Chicago
    10 Univ Oxford

    11 Yale Univ
    12 Cornell Univ
    13 Univ California - San Diego
    14 Univ California - Los Angeles
    15 Univ Pennsylvania
    16 Univ Wisconsin - Madison
    17 Univ Washington - Seattle
    18 Univ California - San Francisco
    19 Johns Hopkins Univ
    20 Tokyo Univ

    21 Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
    22 Kyoto Univ
    23 Imperial Coll London
    24 Univ Toronto
    25 Univ Illinois - Urbana Champaign
    26 Univ Coll London
    27 Swiss Fed Inst Tech - Zurich
    28 Washington Univ - St. Louis
    29 New York Univ
    30 Rockefeller Univ

    31 Northwestern Univ
    32 Duke Univ
    33 Univ Minnesota - Twin Cities
    34 Univ California - Santa Barbara
    35 Univ Colorado - Boulder
    36 Univ Texas - Austin
    37 Univ British Columbia
    38 Univ Texas Southwestern Med Center
    39 Pennsylvania State Univ - Univ Park
    40 Vanderbilt Univ

    41 Univ California - Davis
    42 Univ Utrecht
    43 Rutgers State Univ - New Brunswick
    44 Univ Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh
    45 Karolinska Inst Stockholm
    46 Univ Paris 06
    47 Univ California - Irvine
    48 Univ Edinburgh
    49 Univ Maryland - Coll Park
    50 Univ Southern California

    51 Univ Munich
    52 Tech Univ Munich
    53 Univ Manchester
    54 Carnegie Mellon Univ
    55 Univ North Carolina - Chapel Hill
    56 Australian Natl Univ
    57 Univ Copenhagen
    58 Univ Florida
    59 Univ Zurich
    60 Uppsala Univ

    61 Univ Paris 11
    62 Osaka Univ
    63 Ohio State Univ - Columbus
    64 Univ Bristol
    65 Univ Rochester
    66 Univ Sheffield
    67 McGill Univ
    68 Moscow State Univ
    69 Case Western Reserve Univ
    70 Univ Oslo

    71 Univ Heidelberg
    72 Univ Leiden
    73 Tohoku Univ
    74 Univ Arizona
    75 Purdue Univ - West Lafayette
    76 Univ Helsinki
    77 Michigan State Univ
    78 Hebrew Univ Jerusalem
    79 Rice Univ
    80 Boston Univ

    81 King's Coll London
    82 Univ Melbourne
    83 Univ Nottingham
    84 Univ Goettingen
    85 Univ Vienna
    86 Brown Univ
    87 Indiana Univ - Bloomington
    88 Univ Basel
    89 Texas A&M Univ - Coll Station
    90 McMaster Univ

    91 Univ Freiburg
    92 Univ Strasbourg 1
    93 Ecole Normale Super Paris
    94 Stockholm Univ
    95 Tokyo Inst Tech
    96 Univ Utah
    97 Univ Roma - La Sapienza
    98 Univ Birmingham
    99 Lund Univ
    100 Tufts Univ

    101 Aarhus Univ
    102 Arizona State Univ - Tempe
    103 Baylor Coll Med
    104 Coll France
    105 Dartmouth Coll
    106 Emory Univ
    107 Georgia Inst Tech
    108 Hokkaido Univ
    109 Kyushu Univ
    110 Mayo Clinic Coll Med

    111 Nagoya Univ
    112 Natl Univ Singapore
    113 North Carolina State Univ - Raleigh
    114 Oregon State Univ
    115 Seoul Natl Univ
    116 State Univ New York - Stony Brook
    117 Technion Israel Inst Tech
    118 Tel Aviv Univ
    119 Tsukuba Univ
    120 Univ Alberta

    121 Univ Amsterdam
    122 Univ Bonn
    123 Univ California - Riverside
    124 Univ California - Santa Cruz
    125 Univ Frankfurt
    126 Univ Geneva
    127 Univ Georgia
    128 Univ Ghent
    129 Univ Glasgow
    130 Univ Groningen

    131 Univ Hamburg
    132 Univ Hawaii - Manoa
    133 Univ Illinois - Chicago
    134 Univ Iowa
    135 Univ Leeds
    136 Univ Leuven
    137 Univ Libre Bruxelles
    138 Univ Liverpool
    139 Univ Louvain
    140 Univ Massachusetts - Amherst

    141 Univ Miami
    142 Univ Milan
    143 Univ Muenster
    144 Univ Pisa
    145 Univ Queensland
    146 Univ Sao Paulo
    147 Univ Sussex
    148 Univ Sydney
    149 Univ Tuebingen
    150 Univ Virginia

    151 Univ Wuerzburg
    152 Weizmann Inst Sci
    153 Brandeis Univ
    154 Cardiff Univ
    155 Colorado State Univ
    156 Erasmus Univ
    157 Florida State Univ
    158 Free Univ Amsterdam
    159 Gothenburg Univ
    160 Iowa State Univ

    161 Mt Sinai Sch Med
    162 Natl Taiwan Univ
    163 Oregon Health & Sci Univ
    164 Queen's Univ
    165 Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
    166 Swiss Fed Inst Tech - Lausanne
    167 Tech Univ Denmark
    168 Tsing Hua Univ
    169 Univ Alabama - Birmingham
    170 Univ Autonoma Madrid

    171 Univ Barcelona
    172 Univ Bern
    173 Univ Calgary
    174 Univ Cincinnati - Cincinnati
    175 Univ Connecticut - Storrs
    176 Univ Delaware
    177 Univ East Anglia
    178 Univ Grenoble 1
    179 Univ Kiel
    180 Univ Koeln

    181 Univ Leicester
    182 Univ Leipzig
    183 Univ Mainz
    184 Univ Marburg
    185 Univ Maryland - Baltimore
    186 Univ Montreal
    187 Univ Nacl Autonoma Mexico
    188 Univ Nebraska - Lincoln
    189 Univ New South Wales
    190 Univ Notre Dame

    191 Univ Padua
    192 Univ Paris 05
    193 Univ Paris 07
    194 Univ Southampton
    195 Univ Tennessee - Knoxville
    196 Univ Texas Health Sci Center - Houston
    197 Univ Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
    198 Univ Turin
    199 Univ Wageningen
    200 Univ Western Australia

    201 Virginia Commonwealth Univ
    202 Virginia Tech
    203 Chalmers Univ Tech
    204 Charles Univ Prague
    205 Chinese Univ Hong Kong
    206 Dalhousie Univ
    207 Delft Univ Tech
    208 Ecole Polytechnique
    209 George Mason Univ
    210 George Washington Univ

    211 Georgetown Univ
    212 Hiroshima Univ
    213 Hong Kong Univ Sci & Tech
    214 Innsbruck Univ
    215 Kansas State Univ
    216 Keio Univ
    217 Kobe Univ
    218 London Sch Economics
    219 Louisiana State Univ - Baton Rouge
    220 Macquarie Univ

    221 Monash Univ
    222 Norwegian Univ Sci & Tech
    223 Okayama Univ
    224 Peking Univ
    225 Queen Mary, Univ London
    226 Queen's Univ Belfast
    227 Royal Inst Tech
    228 State Univ New York - Albany
    229 State Univ New York - Buffalo
    230 Swedish Univ Agr Sci

    231 Syracuse Univ
    232 Tech Univ Aachen
    233 Tech Univ Berlin
    234 Thomas Jefferson Univ
    235 Trinity Coll Dublin
    236 Tulane Univ
    237 Umea Univ
    238 Univ Adelaide
    239 Univ Alaska - Fairbanks
    240 Univ Antwerp

    241 Univ Athens
    242 Univ Auckland
    243 Univ Bochum
    244 Univ Bologna
    245 Univ Bordeaux 1
    246 Univ Buenos Aires
    247 Univ Cape Town
    248 Univ Colorado Health Sci Center
    249 Univ Complutense - Madrid
    250 Univ Dundee

    251 Univ Durham
    252 Univ Erlangen Nuernberg
    253 Univ Estadual Campinas
    254 Univ Florence
    255 Univ Genova
    256 Univ Guelph
    257 Univ Halle - Wittenberg
    258 Univ Hong Kong
    259 Univ Houston
    260 Univ Kansas - Lawrence

    261 Univ Karlsruhe
    262 Univ Kentucky
    263 Univ Lancaster
    264 Univ Laval
    265 Univ Liege
    266 Univ Lyon 1
    267 Univ Manitoba
    268 Univ Massachusetts Med Sch
    269 Univ Med & Dentistry New Jersey
    270 Univ Missouri - Columbia

    271 Univ Montpellier 2
    272 Univ Naples Federico II
    273 Univ New Mexico - Albuquerque
    274 Univ Newcastle
    275 Univ Nijmegen
    276 Univ Oregon
    277 Univ Ottawa
    278 Univ Reading
    279 Univ Saskatchewan
    280 Univ South Carolina - Columbia

    281 Univ South Florida
    282 Univ Southern Denmark
    283 Univ St Andrews
    284 Univ Stuttgart
    285 Univ Szeged
    286 Univ Texas Health Sci Center - San Antonio
    287 Univ Texas Med Branch - Galveston
    288 Univ Toulouse 3
    289 Univ Turku
    290 Univ Vermont

    291 Univ Victoria
    292 Univ Warwick
    293 Univ Waterloo
    294 Univ Western Ontario
    295 Univ York
    296 Wake Forest Univ
    297 Washington State Univ - Pullman
    298 Wayne State Univ
    299 Yeshiva Univ
    300 Yonsei Univ

    301 Auburn Univ
    302 Bar Ilan Univ
    303 Ben Gurion Univ
    304 Brigham Young Univ - Provo
    305 Carleton Univ
    306 Chiba Univ
    307 City Univ Hong Kong
    308 City Univ New York - City Coll
    309 Clemson Univ
    310 Ecole Natl Super Mines - Paris

    311 Ecole Normale Super Lyon
    312 Ecole Super Phys & Chem Industry
    313 Eindhoven Univ Tech
    314 Eotvos Lorand Univ
    315 Fudan Univ
    316 Gunma Univ
    317 Hong Kong Polytechnic Univ
    318 Indian Inst Sci
    319 Indiana Univ - Purdue Univ - Indianapolis
    320 Int Sch Adv Studies - Trieste

    321 Jagiellonian Univ
    322 Kanazawa Univ
    323 Korea Advanced Inst Sci & Tech
    324 Linkoping Univ
    325 London Sch Hygiene & Tropical Med
    326 Med Coll Wisconsin
    327 Med Univ South Carolina
    328 Nagasaki Univ
    329 Nanjing Univ
    330 Nanyang Tech Univ

    331 Natl Cheng Kung Univ
    332 Natl Tsing Hua Univ
    333 Nihon Univ
    334 Niigata Univ
    335 Open Univ
    336 Pohang Univ Sci & Tech
    337 Polytechnic Inst Milan
    338 Royal Holloway, Univ London
    339 San Diego State Univ
    340 Scuola Normale Super - Pisa

    341 Shanghai Jiao Tong Univ
    342 Simon Fraser Univ
    343 St Petersburg State Univ
    344 St.Louis Univ
    345 State Univ New York Health Sci Center - Brooklyn
    346 Stockholm Sch Economics
    347 Sungkyunkwan Univ
    348 Tech Univ Braunschweig
    349 Tech Univ Darmstadt
    350 Tech Univ Dresden

    351 Temple Univ
    352 Texas Tech Univ
    353 Tokyo Med & Dental Univ
    354 Tokyo Univ Agr & Tech
    355 Univ Aberdeen
    356 Univ Bath
    357 Univ Bayreuth
    358 Univ Bergen
    359 Univ Bielefeld
    360 Univ Cagliari

    361 Univ Chile
    362 Univ Duesseldorf
    363 Univ Essex
    364 Univ Fed Rio de Janeiro
    365 Univ Ferrara
    366 Univ Graz
    367 Univ Greifswald
    368 Univ Konstanz
    369 Univ Lausanne
    370 Univ Mediterranee

    371 Univ Montana - Missoula
    372 Univ Nancy 1
    373 Univ Nebraska - Med Center
    374 Univ Nevada - Reno
    375 Univ New Hampshire - Durham
    376 Univ Newcastle
    377 Univ Oklahoma - Norman
    378 Univ Otago
    379 Univ Palermo
    380 Univ Paris 09

    381 Univ Pavia
    382 Univ Perugia
    383 Univ Regensburg
    384 Univ Rhode Island
    385 Univ Roma - Tor Vergata
    386 Univ Sci & Tech China
    387 Univ Texas - Dallas
    388 Univ Thessaloniki
    389 Univ Tokushima
    390 Univ Twente

    391 Univ Ulm
    392 Univ Valencia
    393 Univ Warsaw
    394 Univ Witwatersrand
    395 Univ Wyoming
    396 Utah State Univ
    397 Vienna Tech Univ
    398 Waseda Univ
    399 Yamaguchi Univ
    400 Zhejiang Univ

    401 Boston Coll
    402 Coll William & Mary
    403 Drexel Univ
    404 Ehime Univ
    405 Flinders Univ South Australia
    406 Florida International Univ
    407 Gifu Univ
    408 Graduate Univ for Advanced Studies
    409 Hacettepe Univ
    410 Hannover Med Sch

    411 Hanyang Univ
    412 Howard Univ
    413 Indian Inst Tech - Kharagpur
    414 Jilin Univ
    415 Juntendo Univ
    416 Kagoshima Univ
    417 Kent State Univ
    418 Korea Univ
    419 Kumamoto Univ
    420 Kyungpook Natl Univ

    421 La Trobe Univ
    422 Lehigh Univ
    423 Loyola Univ - Chicago
    424 Massey Univ
    425 Med Coll Georgia
    426 Med Univ Graz
    427 Med Univ Innsbruck
    428 Memorial Univ Newfoundland
    429 Michigan Tech Univ
    430 Montana State Univ - Bozeman

    431 Murdoch Univ
    432 Nara Inst Sci & Tech
    433 Natl Chiao Tung Univ
    434 Natl Yang Ming Univ
    435 New Jersey Inst Tech
    436 New Mexico State Univ - Las Cruces
    437 Northeastern Univ
    438 Northern Arizona Univ
    439 Old Dominion Univ
    440 Osaka City Univ

    441 Osaka Prefecture Univ
    442 Polytechnic Inst Turin
    443 Royal Veterinary & Agr Univ
    444 Southern Methodist Univ
    445 Tech Univ Helsinki
    446 Tokyo Metropolitan Univ
    447 Univ Aix Marseille 1
    448 Univ Akron
    449 Univ Autonoma Barcelona
    450 Univ Bari

    451 Univ Bordeaux 2
    452 Univ Bradford
    453 Univ Bremen
    454 Univ Calcutta
    455 Univ Canterbury
    456 Univ Central Florida
    457 Univ Coll Cork
    458 Univ Coll Dublin
    459 Univ Connecticut Health Center
    460 Univ Duisburg Essen

    461 Univ Estadual Paulista
    462 Univ Exeter
    463 Univ Fribourg
    464 Univ Giessen
    465 Univ Granada
    466 Univ Haifa
    467 Univ Idaho
    468 Univ Istanbul
    469 Univ Jena
    470 Univ Jyvaskyla

    471 Univ KwaZulu-Natal
    472 Univ Lisbon
    473 Univ Louisville
    474 Univ Maastricht
    475 Univ Maine - Orono
    476 Univ Maryland - Baltimore County
    477 Univ Memphis
    478 Univ Mississippi - Oxford
    479 Univ Oulu
    480 Univ Parma

    481 Univ Polytechnic Valencia
    482 Univ Pretoria
    483 Univ Quebec
    484 Univ Rostock
    485 Univ Saarlandes
    486 Univ Sevilla
    487 Univ Sherbrooke
    488 Univ Siena
    489 Univ Surrey
    490 Univ Tasmania

    491 Univ Tennessee Health Sci Center
    492 Univ Trieste
    493 Univ Tromso
    494 Univ Wales - Swansea
    495 Univ Wisconsin - Milwaukee
    496 Univ Wroclaw
    497 Univ Zaragoza
    498 Victoria Univ Wellington
    499 Vrije Univ Brussel
    500 York Univ
     
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    Seems to be mostly alphabetical?
     
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    Suprisingly my old Univ is not on that list LOL and according to Johnathon Ross on Friday night the University of Plymouth doesnt even exist! :D
    Which made be split my sides laughing imagining how offended alot of the people I know would have been about that comment. :rotfl:
     
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    Seems America is the land of oppurtunity

    Couldn't have highlighted the UK ones? Although I presume only Oxford, Cambridge and LSE would make it to near the top

    I'm happy with my choices anyhow

    Fingers crossed I pass the "easy" A Levels*

    *that was a swipe at the media "experts". They're actually a tad harder. You do need to know how to spell your name
     
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    I've put UK ones in bold now :).
     
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    uhh...I also think your organisation should give me money or a discount...
     
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    glad to see the uni i went to is at 138 :) not a bad position
     
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    how did liverpool come above sussex??? and half of those american uni's i havent even heard off, it seems a very bias list.
     
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    As I said it is research based- the London School of Economics poo's over both Liverpool and Sussex but does little research.
     
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    Why would you need to hear of them for them to be on a list of 500? You expect to know that many universities? :)
     
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    I've actually looked at Sussex...strong-ish research and teaching methods

    maix27, no offence, but this isn't football ;) As others also in my postition will testify, choosing a uni is a lot more difficult than names
     
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    Woohoo, Birmingham Uni made it into the top 100 :smashin:
     
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    Good Post Tons. The point being, that Unis are meant for research, and teaching comes a very poor second. If we re-jigged that chart taking into account the standard of qualification that each student gets, then the US Uni's would plummet in the ranking.

    Currently the UK's Unis are restructuring to allow the senior Dr's and professors more time to research, and spend less on teaching. Thus (hopefully) aiding our national interest in a more direct way............
     
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    Don't think their ego's would allow that one...;)

    Should I be worried as I'll be starting next year? lol
     
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    Do you actually think the ratings were based only on research?

    Instead of taking it as a personal affront to UK universities and education I think it would be better to admit dificiencies and concentrate on improving overall standards.
     
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    What about the hurt egos expressed thus far? :rolleyes:
     
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    Where is Loughborough?????????????? :nono:
     
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    Not far from Melton Mowbray (pork pies), or Leicester
     
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    Loughborough is better than Bradford university!!!! Easily in the UK's top 10 imo and many others' opinion.
     
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    Missed out Edinburgh, 48. Strange that it's so far ahead of Glasgow (129), find that more than a bit strange.
     
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    As I said at the start its a research based poll. If you like running around Loughborough is great but it doesn't do much (any?) research.
     
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    No. I think tons is lying................. ;) :cool:

    Huh! :confused: Who said anything about a personal affront? It's a fact. US uni's are more reseached based than us and hand out poorer teaching & quals.

    Nope. The teaching staff in HE cannot be recruited with less than an MA, and now you need a teaching qual as well. Something you never needed to teach at Uni's (or colleges) with in the past. They laboured under the illusion that being a Dr was enough, and that teaching would somehow magicaly come to you.

    Hence we all used to snore our way thru boring lectures, held by boring (but intelligent) men in beards and baggy jumpers, or daft suits. Depending on dept............... ;)
     
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    I never brought up Bradford or anyone else...unless you're just saying

    But I've read enough league tables, reports, student surveys and '3rd party university help you choose things' to say Bradford isn't in the top 10 in the UK

    Thanks anyway
     
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    Seem to have missed out Edinburgh which looks to be the highest UK entry.
     
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    Glad to see my place of work coming in at No. 53 (M/CR) :thumbsup:

    Not bad considering the upheavel we've been going through lately
     
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    Except for Cambridge, Oxford, IC and UCL...

    Cheers,
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    Missed the part of it being based solely on research; my apologies.

    Still, the original post, and some subsequent posts, showed quite a bit of sour grapes and snide remarks. That's what I was mainly addressing. If American schools ranked highest then maybe they should be praised for excellence, as all schools should be, instead of some using it as another convenient excuse to take a swipe at Americans or anyone else who is doing better than the UK.
     
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    As before I wasn't taking a swipe at anybody. I agree that on a research basis the US unis, as before, deserve their ranking. Again though, and having taught US students, their standards are not as high as ours. That's not what they see the Uni's chief priority as.

    It's not flag waving, (I'm currently teaching a group of European students and their system is in advance of ours) but findings based on their and our expectations for HE.
     
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    Will be getting my PGCE from uni of exeter next year. Good to see them on the list! :eek:

    As stealther said, uni of plymouth isn't even on there! But it is a great uni, and seems to be one of the richest, judging by the massive amounts of expansion going on in recent years! :eek:
     

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