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The Sorry State of British Television Today

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by LewGrade, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. LewGrade

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    Hello Folks

    Firstly you don't know me and I don't know any of you but before you start to wonder who am I, I am just an ordinary member of the British Public like yourselves. Secondly I thought I would leave this message on here on the off chance to see what everyones pet hates are on television today because television is in a disgraceful state right now.

    My website is now complete and ready for you all to look at properly.

    Please click on - www.freewebs.com/britishtelevision/.... Thanks Yours faithfully Robert
     
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    Agreed tv today is terrible nothing orginal just reality tv which is a cheap way out for the production companys we no longer see quality drama series
     
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    Phillfyspoon, I am glad you agree with my views on the state of British Television today. Are you going to help out with my campaign by signing some petitions or not? I've only just started my website so I need to spread the word.
     
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    If people didn't watch them, it wouldn't be on. Take what you want off the air, and people will start petitions to get them back.

    Personally, I prefer my tactic of not watching TV and getting what programmes I want on DVD. No ads, better quality.
     
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    Chrislad, I am pleased you enjoy buying Dvd's and your right there are no adverts and the quality is better. I also buy lots of Dvd's of the old television programmes e.g. comedy series's, drama series's and childrens programmes but what about people who can't afford to buy Dvd's, have you thought about that one. People pay a licence fee at the end of the day and should be entitled to watch decent quality television. There is no pride taken today on what is allowed to go on the screen and its disgusting what people are subjected to. Please reconsider about signing some of my petitions. I couldn't care less if people started petitions to bring back what I think should be axed. I'm on a mission to improve the quality of television and by the sounds of it although we differ on petitions at the moment you do seem to agree with me that television is in a disgraceful state because you buy what programmes you want to watch on Dvd.

    The point I want to stress is think of those who are less fortunate than me and you who haven't got Dvd players and haven't got anything decent to watch.
     
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    I have disabled the link to your website but if anyone wants to view it they can copy & paste the url into their browser window.
     
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    I do not agree. Whilst there is alot of total rubbish on TV - and I have virtually stopped watching ITV/C4 as they no longer broadcast any content that appeals - that doesn't mean such shows should be axed. We all just need to be more selective in watch we watch and buy PVRs or DVD recorders (or buy the DVDs) to timeshift that content to when we want. Current TV offers something for everyone IMHO.

    As for your petition to start getting rid of channels - you propose BBC3, BBC4, BBC News 24, CBBC, Channel 4 and Channel 5 - I think you have lost it. BBC 3 and BBC 4 show some interesting programming and also offer a chance to catch shows missed first time round on the main channels. BBC News 24 is (IMHO) excellent and, as it gets around 14 million viewers worldwide, I am obviously not the only one who thinks so. And as for Channel 5 that recently won, or nearly won, a recent poll on the forum's favourite channel! The other channels you mention can equally be justified.

    I doubt many Dr Who fans would agree with the knighthood for M. Grade either ;)
     
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    Have to agree there........there is an awful lot of pap but just look at some of the stuff we've had in recent memory.

    Spooks
    Doctor Who
    The Long Way Round

    Just in those three we have a superb documentary (though even better in its extended form), a thriller that can match Alias (or better it) and some of the best sci-fi in recent years.

    The real shame is that some of our best shows only get 8 episodes at most, though it helps keep the writing up!

    Take a look at Red Dwarf. 8 seasons of that and as many episodes as 2 of "24." (Red Dwarf 8 used as equation rather than arbiter of quality).

    On top of that the UK news channels are superb, BBC3 and 4 offer some very good programmes indeed and Channel 4 seem to have realised that a deft mix of homegrown programming and some superb imports (Lost) is the way to go.

    I can live with reality TV, I just don't watch any of it. There is perhaps only one real gripe I have with any TV channel at the moment and that is C4/E4 for delaying Season 6 of the West Wing. The DVD will be released soon and I personally consider that the decision is financially a silly one.
     
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    A lot of programs are made to the lowest common denominator sort of Chav TV rather than bring it up.

    Also there does not seem to be the programs there use to be all those great ITC production that are now cult TV. Even the cop shows are not as good as the use to be such as The Sweeny, or the likes of spy drama as Callen.

    I cannot think of the last time I watched ITV in the evening.
     
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    It's another case of - Don't like it? Don't watch it!

    There is plenty of high quality programming out there. Everyone should be able to find something to watch that appeals to them if they want to.

    Interesting that many people say things like "I can't stand this reality TV rubbish". I wonder if you actually watch it (and watch it to complain about it) or are just regurgitating the Daily Mail party line.
     
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    I read the Times! And I still can't stand the stuff.

    That said, reality TV is bracketed and pigeonholed. I can't stand BB and it's ilk but I'll happily watch medicine related stuff, parenting, even the odd DIY thing. All of that is reality TV and it's pretty acceptable.

    What I think you're missing is that if money and imagination could be diverted we could have some real challenging television.

    Where's the UK's Lost for example?
     
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    I've tried watching Big Brother (Lets watch drunken idiots fight, make out and sleep), those Pop Idol/X-Factors-alikes and a couple of others. A few have some interesting ideas, but for the most part, they're tripe. Which is all well and good and wouldn't bother me, but the entire of E4 and C4 is wasted on Big Brother all summer. There's some great shows on E4 - Smallville, ER, Friends, The OC, Lost and a number of others. And it picks Big Brother.....
     
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    Hi Chris,

    Alas, you arae wrong with that: I don't like Butt Munch, but loads of people do, and it's brought back every year to haunt us all! Yet, real quality shows - in other words, stuff that requires a braincell to actually understand it - is often marginalised to the late-night hours or strewn over the schedules on obscure or minority-interest digital channels.

    The problem is, TV channels, especially the main 4 terrestrial ones, seem to insist that all their output is governed by ratings. (Five may be the exception to this.) In other words, if a show doesn't get good ratings, it gets pulled. However, if a show gets 4 or 5 million, but is still seen as being derivative, drivel, or just plain crap, it doesn't get pulled. Yet, quality shows that don't get high ratings (which often include US shows), are pulled or dropped ASAP, or are relegated to late-night slots, or buried in the schedules where no one can find them.

    What bugs me, more than anything is the whole issue of ratings. Ratings only show the depth of popularity, but do not indicate that a show is good quality or of poor quality. This is the bit that most broadcasters seem to disregard. They equate big audiences with good quality, and low audiences with bad quality.

    If that were the case, then shows like "QI", "Little Britain", "The Simpsons" would never have made it past their first couple of episodes. What also annoys me, is when a channel - any channel - refuses to listen to its viewers, and thinks that the channel knows best! Er, I'm sorry, but that's just total bull! :mad: The British public made Channel 4 popular, when it could have died off in its early days. But as soon as it became popular, they decided to stuff their remit, and become the same as every other channel. Only Five have bothered to go with what viewers ask for, and listen to them, and have found they've gone from being the little channel that only showed sport and porn, to being one of the most highly regarded British TV stations period!

    I'm happy to have channels air drivel like Butt Munch 6, or the endless array of DIY, house-makeover, get-a-new-l;ife kind of shows, but I also want those same channels to offer me as much airtime to quality shows, and minority interest shows and films as well! At the minute, they don't. So British TV ends up becoming stuffed-to-the-gills with pap, and high-quality output is seen as being unnecessary! I want every channel to balance their output, so there's something for everyone (as far as is humanly possible). Is that too much to ask, when all 5 terrestrial broadcasters are on-air 24/7?! I don't think it is!


    Pooch
     
  14. LV426

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    I'm sorry, but I, for one, won't be putting my name to any of your pointless petitions. Yes, there's drivel on TV. But, people (maybe not you and I) watch it. And they are entitled.

    Now, if you'd started commenting about Logos, voiceovers, and other "distortion", then I might have shown some interest.
     
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    I like my soaps and reality tv. I only wish we didnt have to wait so long for the US shows to be shown over here. :)
     
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    I agree with you all there are some good quality programmes on Channel 4 like the American imports e.g. NYPD Blue, The Sopranos, Lost etc but Channel 4's treatment of their best programmes is disgusting. They mess all their best programmes around the schedules whilst crap like Big Brother is given preferential treatment.

    With regards to BBC-4, I agree there are some good quality programmes on there as well like A Picture of Britain which I am hoping will come out on Dvd. Anybody enjoyed watching Coast on BBC-2. BBC-4 is a bit like BBC-2 was years ago but the problem is the majority of the British Public don't want these extra channels. There are some very good quality programmes on BBC-4 but they should be on BBC-2 where everybody can get access to them. Look at ITV-3 which shows all the old quality drama series's that were on 10-15 years ago on the ordinary ITV. There are some terrific programmes on there but again nobody is watching them because they are shown on ITV-3. If they were shown on ITV-1 in the daytime schedules where everybody could get access to them a lot more people would tune in.

    If you don't believe me click on www.barb.co.uk and check the figures for yourselves.

    If you take the trouble to look at my website properly and thoroughly I would like you all to read the main pages of the following two petitions -

    1) Axe Channel 4 and Channel 5 Altogether
    2) Bring All American Drama Series's to BBC-1 and ITV-1

    My masterplan is to get all the best quality programmes on three channels BBC-1, BBC-2 and ITV-1 but I don't think you all appreciate that. How can broadcasters expect to maintain the quality of television when they have to cater for 300 and some odd channels its impossible.

    I know you are all against my campaign but I am not the only one out there in the United Kingdom who thinks television has gone down the pan in the last 15 years and I am not the only one who thinks there are too many channels as well.
     
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    That may be your plan - you may even believe that - but from where most of the rest of us are standing you have compiled a list of programming you don't like and are asking us to assist making your viewing habits the defacto standard.

    What does it matter what channel the programmes you are interested in are on? If it's on BBC 4 and it is of interest to you why would you insist on having it moved to BBC2? It makes no sense whatsoever. May I suggest - instead of trying to cut down choice so you can have 24/7 viewing to suit your needs - why don't you pickup a tool such as DigiGuide if you're having trouble finding programmes your interested in. Even better get yourself a Tivo which will create a custom channel for you and leave the rest of us to enjoy the choice and wide range offered by multi-channel TV!

    No thanks - we're British and want to see high profile British programming. I, and many others I'm sure, watch loads of US shows - and enjoy them - but they can be watched just as easily on Channel 4/5 (etc) as they could on the 'big' BBC1/ITV1. Indeed on such channels they can be treated with more respect than if they were on the prime channels where they would have to bow out frequently to one off events and more popular programming.

    Given the recent TV poll I think you would get more support if you said axe ITV1. Frankly though this topic - and your campaign - are too dumb to comment further on. Multi-channel TV is here to stay. How much time you waste before you accept that is upto you.
     
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    So what is your next campaign going to be ?
    Cut down the number of football teams in the league ?
    Stop daily newspapers and just have 2 quality ones ?
    Close down Aldi and Lidl and just keep Sainsburys and Tescos ?
    I don't think people are against your campaign, it's just that the rest of us inhabit a little planet called Earth, pop in and see us some time ;) :D
     
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    I must admit that I thought this was a wind up until I looked at the website. :eek: Some people really have too much time on their hands. Moorcombe and Wise to be knighted? They were dead last time I looked. Bring back Blockbusters and Tellyaddicts? :rotfl:

    Have you ever considered just switching off and reading a good book?
     
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    [​IMG] LOL.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
     
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    Hi,

    Whilst I agree with some of the comments made on here, and by LewGrade, I disagree on the following:

    1) Axe Channel 4 and Channel 5 Altogether
    2) Bring All American Drama Series's to BBC-1 and ITV-1

    With my petition, all I want is for imported material, to be treated with respect, regardless of what channel it airs on. Nothing more, nothing less. The only reason I don't want Channel 4 to purchase any more US shows, is because their history and track-record over the last 5-10 years, has been abominable. And it's that that is the bug-bear for me. I also vehemently disagree with the idea that you want to axe Five! :eek: and :nono: I think Five is the only terrestrial channel, that's worthy of keeping, in my humble opinion, outside of the BBC.

    Also, the BBC and ITV simply don't like US shows. They have never really liked imported stuff, with the odd exception, e.g. "24", "Murder One", and one or two others. ITV can't do the shows justice, because it's upto each individual area to decide if they want to air the show or not, which usually means some regions air a show, and some don't, and there's no guarantee they'll complete the season they have the rights to. (The recent US comedy "The Pitts", which is dire, I have to confess, has been started and restarted now four times, and not once, has a single, complete run been done. ) So I'd be against ITV1 getting US stuff, unless they were willing to commit to show all episodes.

    Ultimately, for me, my only request of any TV channel - terrestrial or otherwise - is that you balance out your output. If "NYPD Blue" was on now, even at 4am on a Monday morning, I'd live with that, rather than what Channel 4 are currently doing, which is stalling tactics. Is a balance between lower-common denominator show, and more intellectual, high-brow material too much to ask of any TV station?! I don't think it is, seeing as they are supposed to cater for viewers, not to their own ideas of what they think we should see/watch!


    Pooch
     
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    Well put pooch, I agree with that completly :smashin: :smashin:
     
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    What happened to the notion of free choice? My choice of documentaries the odd series like 24 and watching food programs would not necessarily be the choice of everyone.
    I know people who watch BB and the various other reality shows etc. If we were to cram all the self-opionated programs into three channels (and remember most of the population go to work), how do we manage to fit all these into primetime tv.
    I agree with the general flow of the posts. We have a choice to watch what we want, or are we now also going to be told what we can watch?

    Blimey there are so many bl**dy words in each request on the site that there seems to be a lot of anger or is it okay to use words such as this on a website to put your opinion across. It seems that quizshows, sports and childrens programs such as button moon are your choice unfortunately not mine.
     
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    Someone break out the straight jackets and prepare the padded cell, one of the inmates has escaped :eek:
     
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    As this is the sorry state of British television may I include the music channels..what the bloody hell happend after the 80s...I cant believe some of the mind numbing stuff that passes for music vids now...or am I Just getting older...no im right, most of it is mind numbing stuff with all the imagination of a terminally ill slug on dope
     
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    I think music videos do a disservice to music. Once a day you use to listen to a song and you put your own interpretation on the music. Now when you here the song you think of the video.
     
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    mmmmm, interesting one this. I think its hard to define what is 'good' on television, as this is determined by individuals. What the majority of the population like surely is determined via viewing figures?

    Aside from films, which are accessable through various medium and I watch them frequently, I quite like the nightly Big Brother round-up when it was on :eek: , I enjoy X-factor as well as quiz shows, drama, the occasional DIY/Home show, and fantastic shows such as Alias, Doctor Who, Spooks etc. But I know people who don't like them, so its all individual choice.

    Presumably there are now more channels to allow for this choice and diversification, which allows something for everyone at some point. What the majority enjoy (as determined by viewing figures), is what is put on the mainstream channels. :)

    I think that when it is said that there is nothing on TV, it is meant that there isn't something on all of the time that they personally are interested in.

    For me, I prefer to keep TV as an occasional medium, more as a relaxing channel of my life for maybe an hour in the evening, mixing this with other activities that occupy my time. By recording what I do enjoy, there is always something on that I like, and I don't have to be in at a certain time to watch it. :thumbsup:
     
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    Watching the various '50 Years of ITV' annivesary progs recently, it's hard to believe they are the same channel. In the two years I have been using 'digital recording' media, I can honestly say I have never recorded (ore even had to 'live pause') ANYTHING on ITV! It all started to go downhill for them when they had that big 'shake up' several years ago.

    All these marvellous new digital technologies with their mass storgae capabilities and 'pause live Tv', Twin tuners (LOL) etc, HDD, DVD, PVRs etc

    Record what exactly?

    And now Hi-Def TV is upon us...GREAT! Now we can watch the same old crap in hi-res.
    BIG DEAL :thumbsdow
     

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