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the small or LARGE debate ( again )

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by dUnKle, Aug 30, 2001.

  1. dUnKle

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    Seeing as this forum now has loads more visitors and has grown so much since this was last done I thought I would bring it up again.

    The reason for this was my system ( Denon A1D, B&W 603, CC6 and Tannoy M2s along with Rel Q100E sub ) somehow got reset to factory default and so Im back to fiddling trying to remember how it was a few days ago when it sounded perfect ( why did I not write it down ? <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> )

    Anyway what are your thoughts, I remeber once saying " just set them all to small and send bass to subwoofer only ) and we had a great devate which after awhile ( and Martins advice ) made me ( I think ? ) set them all as large !

    So what do you think ? What should I set them as ?( your opinion ) What do you have yours set to ? ( and why )

    Must get my TOY STOY TWO out and do the MONSTERS INC. demo again
     
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    Ive been playing about with these setting just recently.The way i look at it is this.<br />DD assumes 5 speakers of identical size and acustics. Also FULL range.<br />Look at the freq range of your speakers , (even given that manfacturers can be liberal with there stats.)Taking mine for example my kef Q65 floorstanders at the front are meant to reach down to 33hz ish.Connected to these are a q150 at high level.So they are to be conserdered FULL range.<br />On the other hand my kef 100 center bottoms out at 70hz as do my mission m7ds rears. Not exactly full range.<br />so if left at large these speaker could be sent sound they cant reproduce and therefore you dont hear it.<br />If on the other hand you set them to small and set the cross over on the amp at about 70hz (not a problem with your amp im sure). Then should any other those channels carry any sounds lower it will be sent to the sub and you will hear it.<br />This is why thx speakers only go down to 70hz .<br />that is the simplest way i can think of explaining it.

    Now i have a question..

    If a dvd is THX certified do it mean that any frequences lower than 70hz are in the lfe track ?<br />Im aware that the lfe track doesnt get down mixed to stero analouge.But then if this is happening you arnt gonna be producing -70hz on a tv anyway are you.

    Just a thought.

    Mark <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
     
  3. dUnKle

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    interested in other peoples thoughts !
     
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    I have all mine set to small as my Kef Rdm´s only go down to 100hz, the centre to 70hz. My Rel is set to full range and my A1SE does the rest. Bit of a no brainer really!!

    My old man has my old 3801 with Infinity delta speakers, fronts are set to large all the rest to small, bass set to both. This gives a much better spread of bass than setting all to small, the bass is much tighter & less boomy.

    Depends on personal taste and the actual system you have really.

    cheers
     
  5. dUnKle

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    Had a quick fiddle and am now more convinced about the ALL small setting. Even with the Monsters INC. demo the sound feels tighter and more controlled, although setting the fronts to Large gives some impressive bass performance from the 603s I am thinking that some bass is now no longer being sent to the sub and so im missing some of the sound
     
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    Hi Duncan,<br />While I had Eltax liberty5+ as mains I had them set as large and my old JPW's as rears on small(I do not have a centre) using my IPL sub for LFE.This was fine for DVD and Tv. However, I have just about run in my new IPL M3 transmission lines,I now mainly have the setting for DVD to all small and my Yam proceesor does the rest(80hz) with the crossover on the sub wide open.The bass on the M3's is vastly superior to the Eltax's which is really noticeable if watching TV, I do not feel the need for the sub and depending on what I'm watching and probably how it's recorded, I either set the mains as large or small and still get excellent bass.I normally have a listen to different parts of a DVD, then decide whether large or small as I find some films are better set as large or small, not sure if there recorded differently but I think some do sound different.<br />Philmate.<br />Phil.
     
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    I have all my Sonus Faber speakers set to small, (the 5 of them go down to 40 hz), the crossover set to 50 hz and the REL Strata III connected only to LFE.

    I believe this is the best way to connect my speakers, as you have large front speakers, you could set them to large and connect the sub both to high and LFE, (if it accepts that), to reproduce those freqs under 30 hz.

    But only if they are well away from walls, or their bass will be boomy, or cancelled, and in that situation I would recomend the same setting as mine.
     
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    I set my Kef 95 centre to Large then for a couple of weeks I thought it was faulty, it sounded boxy and nasaly. Now I have all my speakers set to small except for the Front Main Kef Q55 and the sound is excellent. I route the base to my REL Srata II sub from the front speaker output.
     
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    i tend to set all my speakers to large .

    then i set the amp to plus so that some of the bass that is set to the speakers is allso sent to the subs . i just think that is gives a smoother transition between the speakers and subs .

    sounds good to me anyway . all my speakers are suposed to go to 45hz by the way
     
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    If you set all your speakers to large, you only get the LFE bass to the subwoofer, nothing from the other channels... Unless you use the high level input too, and that should be only for the front channels...
     

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