The Philips 32PF9986, A Sharp LCD, or.... a Plasma?

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    I have read through a great deal of reviews and literature on this subject and as soon as I think i've found my answer, something else throws it into doubt!

    At first, I had decided that a CRT was the thing to buy because when it came to out and out picture quality, they were still the best out there.

    Then, I was told (by a chap in comet of all places) that LCD was the way forward and of all of the displays he's ever seen, LCD is the best.

    So I had almost settled on the Philips 9986 and tried to arrange a viewing at Sevenoaks, only to be told that they only stock Sharp LCDs as they were just as good as Philips. The call finally ended with the guy telling me, for the money, a plasma screen will give the best picture!

    I'm going to be buying a new DVD player at the same time so a DVI connection is on the cards, and progressive scan (not available on the Sharp, I'm told). This seems to be the way to get the best picture available.

    So, now i'm confused! I strayed from Plamsa as I'm worried about it failing in 3 years, the CRT is massive, but the LCD is pricey! At the end of the day, picture quality is paramount, and I thought the Philips LCD was the answer... perhaps someone could confirm or contradict the mixed advice I've been getting!

    John
     
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    John,

    Where to start?

    What size of screen do you want? If it's 37" or less then go for LCD. 37" or more then Plasma is really all that is reasonable. Rear projectors are improving, but, boy, are they ugly, and still not that good.

    If you want a TV that'll deliver High Definition pictures in the future and performs admirably with current transmissions, then you're right to have narrowed your search to the Sharp and the Philips.

    The new Sharps do handle progressive pictures, but the Philips 9986's still have the edge. Better features and better picture...

    How tight is the budget? The 32"PF9986 is £1900. If this is too much, Philips do the 32"PF9976 which is similarly specced (No Ambilight, only PixelPlus1) for £1500 ish.

    Hope this helps.

    Keep in touch,

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    I'm in a similar situation. Just one thing to mention, what sharp were you thinking off getting?
     
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    i have the philips 329986 and to be honest i don't think the picture quality can be beaten at present.
    even watching telewest via rgb scart produce amazing pictures.
    sometimes its like looking through a window
     
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    I think that 32" is the ideal size as Any larger and it may dominate a smaller room (I may move house in the next couple of years), and smaller is obviously.... smaller.

    The Sharp model I would compare the Philips 32PF9986 to is the Sharp LC-32GD1E, but accroding to most reviews, the philips clinches it.

    As for budget, I'm looking for the best picture available at 32" size display, I'll stretch to accomodate that (I think!) I also want it to accept HD DVD sources and HDTV when they eventually come along. In other words, this is a big investment and I want it to be as future proofed as possible right now.

    Here's the thing, Only today I've read in Home Cinema magazine (and recently in What HIFI) that top end CRT TVs still give the best picture quality.

    It's hard to work out what's best out there as the shops never have them wired up as they should be. I'm also looking at getting the Denon DVD2910 to go with the new screen (whatever it may be) to supply a progressive scan picture through a digital input.

    Has anyone seen all of these sets side by side???
     
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    Out of interest (I know you can't get the former anymore, it seems anyway) but which would you prefer - Sharp LC-32GA4E or the Philips 9986.
     
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    to be honest Nick, I've only even considered the Sharp today as a sales guy at Sevenoaks said they prefer them as they're slightly cheaper and 'just as good'. Having not seen either, I'm going by reviews.

    I almost plumped for the Panasonic 32PD30 CRT based on reviews though, so you can't always trust them!
     
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    crt's are excellent, i had a toshiba 36pw48.
    i love it but it was soooooooo big.
    the philips 329986 has replaced it and u wouldn't believe the space i have in my room now.
    the 329986 is on the wall now and i wouldn't change it for the world.
    the only other tv i was interested in was the hitachi plasma 325200.
     
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    What did you reckon to the plasma? Would you expect that the New Philips CRT using Pixel Plus 2 would out do the LCD in terms of picture quality? If I could just see the image for myself, I'm sure i'd be sold.... but there's no where to view them set up correctly!!!

    Is there???
     
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    personally i don't think the philips crt will be a better picture.
    the tosh i had got 5 star ratings in all the magazines and i thought that picture would never be beaten.
    i was wrong, the 9986 has exceeded all my expectations.
    its truly amazing.
    be prepared to spend lots of time with the settings though and look at previous threads for picture setting advice.
    belive it or not the picure quality also gradually gets better after a couple of days.
    pixel plus 2 and ambilght rock too.
     
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    Just seen rave reviews of a Philips 32PW9509 CRT saying thats it is proof that CRT TV's still produce the best pictures.
     
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    Same review I read! This is what throws it all into doubt! Not to mention SED screen apparantly on the horizon!

    There is, dare I say it, too much to choose from at the moment!
     
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    maybe, i can't say but it won't be compatible with hd tv and dvd can only be viewed via rgb, no pro scan, dvi socket etc (crt that is)
     
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    I can't see you being disapointed from a 9986 though, unless you have terrible signal/source. Just think of the space you'll save :)

    As for SED, I can't afford to wait that long to get a telly.
     
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    Ok

    To do a final check...

    The Philips will work with the new HDTV from Sky (whatever they choose as their format, without downsizing the image res)
    It will accept a progressive scan image from a DVI input
    er.... in other words, is there anything it can't do?
     
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    There's no denying that if you are after an excellent picture with current sources it's hard to beat a good CRT. There have been many discussions on this thread regarding this issue an, in the end, it depends on what you want it for.

    Here goes:

    a).If you are not interested in watching future HDTV transmissions at their best.
    b).If you need a TV that'll flatter current broadcast quality.
    c).If you have no issues over the amount of room the TV occupies.
    d).If your budget is tight....

    .....then a CRT may be the way to go. They offer splendid quality pictures with what is available on air at present.

    LCD's are a different breed entirely...

    They produce pictures that are way too honest for their own good. If the source signal is crummy then an LCD will struggle. The 9986 is easily the LCD champ when it comes to this. It can generate an almost CRT quality picture from dire source material. The Sharp will not. I know, because I did a side by side comparison test at Peter Tysons last month. The Sharp really struggles with rubbish signals.

    The future of Television is in HDTV and to buy a CRT now would be to close the door firmly on that future.

    The Philips 32"PF9986 is still the one. The Sharp, and others, may be close, and getting closer, but not yet.

    Jimmy
     
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    You know, if the philips has removable speakers I'd buy it in an instant.
     
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    The Philips WILL work with HDTV 720p50Hz and 60Hz. 1080i50Hz and 60Hz. Fully HDCP Compliant. Many other formats too.

    Fully Progressive Scan capable through DVI.

    Damn thing won't go and make me a cup of tea!

    Jimmy :thumbsup:
     
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    Hi Nick, :hiya:

    Check out the Philips 32"PF9976. Like a 9986 with the speakers hacked off! No PP2 (Only PP1) and no ambilight. Same screen, fully HDTV compatible and cheaper (£1500ish)

    Jimmy
     
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    Does the philips come with decent cables (DVI or HDMI)? Also, does it come with the stand and wall fixings?

    John
     
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    This isn't as good though is it :(
     
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    Comes with an RF lead and a DVI/VGA/Component adapter. It comes with both a wall mount and a glass pedestal stand.

    Buy your own cables!! Most freebies are horrendous. See www.tvcables.co.uk

    Jimmy
     
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    When it comes to full HDTV it will be exactly the same. The PP2 will be disabled for 720p and 1080i transmissions. It won't be as good with standard sources or 576p, where the PP2 works its magic.

    Jimmy
     
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    Can the Philips take a component input?

    I know the Sharp can.
     
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    Yes but thru a Component - VGA - DVI adapter

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    Can the Philips 9976 also take component through an adapter and if so is the quality going top be as good as through dedicated component inputs like the Toshiba 32WL48 has?

    Also has anyone connected a PC to the 9976 with success?

    Cheers
     
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    The 9976 will take PC in in a variety of formats. It will also handle Progressive Component through an adapter. It comes with a DVI/VGA adapter. You may have to purchase a component/VGA adapter. It is fully ready for HDTV.

    I'll confirm it has the correct firmware to operate the component input later today. I think it has...

    Jimmy
     
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    As far as I know the 32PF9986 will accept Component Video thru Component - VGA - DVI adapters/leads but it must be Progressive Scan, not Interlaced and firmware must be 2.1.
     
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    But it is so damn ugly!! :rotfl: :D
     
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    Ageed. If they changed the case and added removable speakers then it would rock. Until then, I'm still waiting :)
     

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