the manchester/rangers riots

hulkhogan

Established Member
wow totally intense - i was working just 50yds away from the piccadilly gardens fan zone as a doorman and my god when it kicked off we cudnt find the locks for the doors quick enough

it just started as frustrated fans not being able to watch the game *we werent showing it as we had no live tv.* and the anger directed towards us was shocking to say the least - it was almost as if somehow we'd caused the big screen to fail. but then in the distance we saw the glasses flyin in the crowd and it was like forget this close the door get everyone out by the back door.

the rangers fans were tryna smash their way thru it was disgraceful. then the running battles with the police started and they were clearly goading the police into charging and then fallin back b4 charging again

a few times the hooligans charged towards the police at one point trying to over turn a police van b4 riot police from another van got out to get them away.

driving away they'd smashed cars that were parked windows - they even overturned one toyota celica - smashed to pieces and the owner - a rangers fan - sat head in hands

the rangers on rangers violence was shocking too - i saw a few gettin bottled or gettin punched as they tried to calm the situation down.

this is one of the vids i got after we managed to secure our venue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvl5LVtArr8

b4 u think it was all bad - uptil then i was like wow this is just awesome - i was gonna make threads compliementing the majority of the fans who were amazing.
 

hulkhogan

Established Member
oh totally i was seriously gonna make some real positive thread on the gers fans - maybe get a gers shirt the fans were really awesome singing around

even they were surprised i think at the positive reaction they were gettin from the mancunians - alot of fans came to us sayin how we'd really rolled out the welcome wagon for them and been really hospitable.

but this was just shocking on how the few disgraced the many.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwjYALgndM
 

shb367

Prominent Member
You know I wish these idiots would realise that they can only bring shame to the club. Sky Sports News have said over 200 000 gers fans in Manchester. I thought about going with my 14 year old daughter but thought against it. Must have been frightening being totally innocent and caught amongst it. The club must ban any fans shown to be causing the disturbance!

Rant over!
 

DJT75

Distinguished Member
Give it a couple of hours & UEFA will no doubt firmly put the blame on England.
They'll say violence like that only occurs when the English are involved, the 2011 final will be taken away from Wembley & Blatter will come out with some comment thanking the lord we're not in the Euro finals this summers.
 

overkill

Distinguished Member
Give it a couple of hours & UEFA will no doubt firmly put the blame on England.
They'll say violence like that only occurs when the English are involved, the 2011 final will be taken away from Wembley & Blatter will come out with some comment thanking the lord we're not in the Euro finals this summers.
Doubtless. The Beeb were already trying to blame Manchester as opposed to the troublemakers.

Tbh DJT, this is half the problem. Instead of putting the blame where it lies, on a mindless few, the English always respond either with 'outrage' to our own fans behaviour (sells a few Daily Mails doesn't it?) or fudge the Polices reaction to foreign fans, or Scots/Irish/Welsh, misbehaviour.

Whereas by contrast, the continentals, who unlike the British don't like hanging out their dirty laundry for the World to see, play down any hooliganism.

Thus we always look like naughty boys in the spotlight and UEFA can do us as a result.
 

Scholes18

Prominent Member
Sadly i wasnt surprised. The last few times either rangers or celtic have come down to play in manchester ( champions league games at OT ) theres been trouble everytime.

For some reason they feel the need to get paralytic and smash things up..Its baffling.

I wonder if theyd have tried to shrug it off as a "party atmosphere" if the madrid and leverkeusen fans had smashed glasgow to bits at the 2002 champions league final at hampden.

Sorry to any rangers fans that were there and behaved but theres a lot of your supporters are vermin and certainly wont be welcome back.
 

Our Year

Outstanding Member
UEFA communications director William Gaillard said: "Both the municipal government and Manchester police have done a fantastic job given they were faced with well over 100,000 fans coming from Scotland.
"I can't believe that any other city would have done anything better.
"Of course we are very disappointed with the behaviour of a small minority especially after the city had done everything it could to accommodate everyone's needs and were rewarded by injured policemen and hundreds of tons of rubbish.
"That was discouraging but although the trouble was reprehensible it was only a small minority - the usual suspects - involved and we feel that overall the challenge has been a tremendous success of the local organising committee."

fair comment ?
 

kevin_irl

Established Member
Rangers as a club needs to weed out the section of scum that follow them. They should be in some sort of prison, not at football games.
 

shb367

Prominent Member
This has been taken from a rangers fans forum, which in turn taken from another football forum on last night - interesting reading...

Stewards point of view from last night (Picadilly Square screen not faulty!)

"Ive just got back from Manchester now. The firm i have just joined where doing event security for the game. Until we arrived this afternoon, we didnt realise that we where actually working on the fan parks in the city centre.

We got given high vis jackets then I was posted with 6 others to one of the gates at Picadilly Square Fan Park at around half 5. The crowds where unbelieveable, reminicent of Tacksim and Syntagma square for us, except in a much smaller area. Our job was to stop people entering with glass bottles. Bearing in mind this was my first ever shift, it was quite daunting. Alot of the people who i had to challenge for bottles where sound, had no objections because we provided plastic cups for them to enter their bottles in to. But there was alot of scum aswell, ***** out of their faces who had none of it. I asked one big feller to empty his bottle in to a cup, very politely, and i was told to *****. I then went over to him again, and he ***** me in the chest, i asked him again with a plastic cup in my hand for him and he threw me in to a fence. ***** this, i dont get paid enough for this ***** so i left him.

It was clear by then the sqaure was becoming dangerously overcrowded. Our gate was getting crushed, and we where pulled away by police for our own safety. We where moved further up to the entrance of the square, where barriers where accross preventing people from entering because it was too full. A lot of lads tried to get through, and the vast majority where sound about it and good natured with me. I had many a conversation with jocks when they noticed my scouse accent and realised i wasnt a manc. My advice to them was to find a pub before the rush, which went against what we where told to tell them which was to head for the fan park at the ground. I knew theyd have ***** there so i didnt tell them that. No problems whatsoever at this point.

Then about 20mins before kick off, an older scots feller came over to me and said hoow dangerously crowded it was in the square, he said "someone was going to get killed", and thats why he left. He also said to me "mark my words, there will be a riot in there". I had those suspicions myself. From my experience of Istanbul and Athens, you can tell when something is not right, and i definately sensed that then.

We then hit quarter to 8, and the square is rammed with Rangers fans, singing and watching the big screen for the adverts to end and the game to start. By 5 to 8, still no game. Then a supervisor gets it over his radio that they werent showing it. I couldnt believe it. My words to him where "there will be absolute ***** murder here, its ***** suicide". Jocks where coming over asking us what was going on, and we had to tell them. They where understandabely ***** fumin. I tried to tell them that i totally agreed with them, and that it was a ***** disgrace. Some where sound with me, recognising it wasnt our fault as event stewards. But then as people started to twig on what was going on, it started getting nasty.

There was about 15 of us on this gate with a few police near by, and the scots where fuming with us. Coming over, pushing us, screaming in our faces. What could we do? I agreed with every word they said, id be ***** fuming aswell, but it had ***** all to do with us. Then it got quite serious, bottles where being thrown, passing just past my face and lads where getting really aggresive with us. It was then when our head office told us to pull out, and the police moved us down a side street. We where getting dogs abuse, bottles thrown down at us, everything. Obviously the fact we where in uniform attracted it.

Then our supervisor said they had to try and move us in to one of the portacabins back in the middle of the sqaure. We walked through as a group, through thousands of scots who where going crazy, throwing all kinds, screaming in our faces. We eventually had to take our jackets off and run. When we made it to this portacabin, all hell was going off around us. Riot police where coming from everywhere, and hundreds of rangers fans where charging them. Bus shelter where ripped down, and metal and wooden poles used as weapons to charge the police. The place was totally trashed. A bottle landed right next to me which had been thrown from someone. This went on for 3hours solid until 11 oclock. We had to take off all jackets and ties, and when it quietened down about half 11 we where able to make way to our coach at the GMex. Back at the coach we heard a Russian had been stabbed aswell.

People have said that the big screen in our square had a technical fault and thats why the match wasnt shown. I know for a fact that is *****. It wasnt shown because of the shear numbers in the sqaure. The reasoning was that if Rangers scored, there would be bedlam. But whichever thick ***** makes these decisions obviously didnt realise the implications of not showing the game. If they wherent going to show it, they shouldve informed everyone at 6 o clock and give people time to fine somewhere else, not at ***** kick off. Its an absolute disgrace, and so typical of UEFA event. I couldve organised it better, it was a sham. They totally underestimated the amount of scots that would travel. Logical thing to do would be to put a big screen in old Trafford and let people watch it there, then there wouldve been no bother. 2 ***** ***** fan parks was never going to be enough. I could see it, everyone else could, why cant the ****** organisers of these events? Useless *****, heads should ***** role after tonight.

Ive spoke to my dad and others who've said that the news have reported it as small disturbances with a hand full of Rangers fans clashing with the police. Thats absolute *****, total *****. There where ****** hundreds, if not more, and this went on for hours right in front of my eyes. To be fair, the amount of Scots lads who made the effort to come over and speak to us while this was going on, simply saying "sorry" was amazing. I spoke to a feller who made the effort to come over to us when he seen us having all kinds thrown in our direction, and he just apologised on behalf of Rangers fans, and said what a disgrace and embarrasment it was. I know from experience that its always a minority who are scum, and tar everyone with the same brush. But thats what happened, anything you hear otherwise is *****, i ***** seen it with my own eyes. Rangers fans had every right to be ***** with what happened in that square, but the actions of some afterwards, the rioting for 2 hours, was inexcusable. And it wasnt a "handfull" either.
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Bilbob

Prominent Member
It's annoying me a little these comments about 'should have done this' and should have done that, no one in manchester knew that many were coming down till very close to the event, what were they supposed to do?
IMO, they handled it as best they could. Probably would have been pointless puttin git on screen in old trafford etc, as the fans came to the city centre, not 5 miles out of town... they would have come to the city centre regardless.
I saw what happened, and I honestly believe Manchester have handled it brilliantly all things considered.
It is a shame that a minority have caused this hassle, but as a manc living in manc, I sincerely hope it doesn't dissuade manchester from doing similar in the future.
 
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Deleted member 51156

Guest
Why ram aload of fans into a inadequate square to watch a game and then switch the screen off and when the fans get annoyed send the riot police in .

It was obvious it was going to kick off ,football fans are treated like cattle and this is a prime example .
 

kendoll

Prominent Member
It's annoying me a little these comments about 'should have done this' and should have done that, no one in manchester knew that many were coming down till very close to the event, what were they supposed to do?
IMO, they handled it as best they could. Probably would have been pointless puttin git on screen in old trafford etc, as the fans came to the city centre, not 5 miles out of town... they would have come to the city centre regardless.
I saw what happened, and I honestly believe Manchester have handled it brilliantly all things considered.
It is a shame that a minority have caused this hassle, but as a manc living in manc, I sincerely hope it doesn't dissuade manchester from doing similar in the future.

While it in no way excuses the behaviour of any of the scum there, the day after the Fiorentina game it was being said that there would be in the region of 100,000 Rangers fans making their way to Manchester. The immediate reaction was to say 'Stay Away if you don't have a ticket - you aren't welcome' (which is completely unrealistic). They changed their mind at the last minute and decided to set up fan zones. Until then there were reports up here that the police were advising hoteliers to cancel bookings as they wouldn't repsond to disturbances during the game/that evening (can't say if this is accurate, but that is what was reported in the papers up here).

I would also question allowing alcohol sales so early, and the outdoor drinking. Some people should never be allowed to drink, nevermind all day in the company of their moronic friends.

However I would like to reiterate that none of the above in any way excuses the behaviour that prevailed last night.

Just saw this video and it made my stomach turn:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7402858.stm

... and this isn't just one or two people, this is a mob of hundreds! Watch how they pounce on one of the coppers who gets left behind, what sort of animal would do that?? Absolute scum, the lot of them.

As I said on the Rangers Thread:

These people aren't fans (whether they support the club or not). They are thugs and animals and it sickens me to see them in Rangers tops. I hope they are dealt with as harshly as the law will allow.
 

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