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The Man with the Iron Heart Blu-ray Review & Comments

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD discs' started by Phil Hinton, Jan 7, 2018.


    1. Casimir Harlow

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    2. chaz

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      I agree with the above saw this film on my way to Malaysia last mth This has been made to many times once in the 70s and later by the Czechs themselves and others either docu/Dramas etc so that part of the story is well known.It would have been better if they had contrasted on Reinhard Heydrich's childhood etc onwards. Very few people knew he was a talented concert Villon player. plus Olympic Standard swordsman. Also when he joined the Imperial German Navy as very good officer and who was great friend of Admiral Carnaris (Who later Heydrich had him executed also more should have been but on this affair with this woman who got him kicked out the Navy that Carnaris instigated because was friends with the Father of the girl he dumped. Also Heydrich was a very good fighter pilot fighting on the Eastern front wining the Iorn Cross first class until Hitler stopped him flying. So there could have been a lot more made about Heydrics life besides the assassination. Could have used the last bit of the film for that but the film makers did not show that the 3 who where going to assassinate Hydrich one was a traitor and what made this guy change his mind and go to the Gestapo we never found that out
       
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      Excellent post, Chaz. The film, which I have yet to watch, is based on the historical novel HHhH (Himmlers Hirn heißt Heydrich) by the french author Laurent Binet. The title translates as Himmler's Brain is Called Heydrich, which was itself a subversive remark coined by some Germans during the war since Heydrich was definitely the 'intellectual' force in their partnership, Himmler being at best a flake into all sorts of Aryan-superman/Nordic race mythological nonsense.

      One of the reasons for the assassination was that Heydrich was not only a brutal killer, he was very adapt at human psychology, to the extent that the Allies desperately needed to kick start some kind of Czech resistance movement into life into a country that was seen as passively acquiescing to Nazi rule (and at great cost too: viz the Lidice Massacre, ordered by Hitler in reprisal, 340 men, women and children murdered).

      I have strong memories of the 1975 film Operation Daybreak, on the same subject. And as a final note, although Heydrich was given a full Nazi state funeral, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the NS elite were not sorry to see him gone as he was not only highly dangerous but also had the dirt, as head of the Nazi security services, on all of them.
       
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      Yes I agree It was known Goring was relived that he was gone like you said he had notes on everybody inc Hitler. Wonder what happened to his children I know one of Himmler children who is in her 80s who is ardent supporter still of ex Nazis who are still alive and new Nazi groups as well I think her name is Gudren and she is 88 and I think Heydrich has still have a living son called Heider who is now 76 picture shown
       

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      Part of the circumstantial evidence is that Heydrich appeared to be recovering from his wounds until Himmler's own medical staff arrived to take charge. In any event, the world was better off rid of the man and his ilk by whichever means. Some of the senior Nazis' surviving offspring have disassociated themselves from their parents' activities entirely, others have not. Some of them, however, were not given the option, such as Goebbels' children. In any event, it is a terrible situation to live with: the memories of having a loving, doting, father who, oh yeah, just happens to be a genocidal, mass murderer.
       
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      I enjoyed the film, and it's hard to believe that these events actually happened, and not so long ago.
      I would be very interested in a film of the life these men lived, before they became the monsters.
       
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      This is why, filmed entertainment aside, history should be taught and taught properly. As Churchill said, paraphrasing George Santayana: "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

      My best teachers, English and History. One of the latter was an ex-para who fought at Arnhem and swam the Rhine, carrying a wounded comrade, to escape being taken prisoner. Knowing him, he would have done it lengthwise! Twice! Just for a laugh!

      Had Hitler been accepted into art school, had a British Tommy got a lucky shot in 1916, had ... so it goes. But things happened as they did.
       
    8. chaz

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      There is a good book by Robert Gerwoth called "Hitlers Hangman" The life of Heydrich, There is a book by Peter L onerrich called Heinrich Himmler and part 1 of a book about the life and times of Hitler and there is also a book called The Devil Disciples which tell the storeys about the life of each member of the senor Nazi party inc Goring Gobbles etc and one last book about Hitlers SS. and if you would like to see a film about the last days of the Nazis there is a very good German film called "Downfall which the German actor playing Hitler is his splinting image. The only other Actor who played good was Alec Guinness the Film "The last Ten Days" where Donald Plesance played a splinting image of Himmler. On a sad note if it was not for the Allies doing in 1918 and not only taking the livelihood from the Germans so the starved to death as well as from the cold as the french took over the Rhineland. The Nazis would of not got in. Because the German people they wanted was food and heat. Just see the revesie when Germany was beaten again and the Americans brought in the Marshall plan that saved Germany after 1945. Then did not learn the lesion from that in when they invaded Iraq and sacked everybody who was in the Basq Party so nobody could learn a living not like in 1945 when they only put the leading Nazis on trail and help build the country again giving there pride in the country. Enough said now Fished the History lesion Sorry Moderators went on a bit did not mean to o_O:lesson::nono:
       
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      I've read Hitler's Hangman (Robert Gewarth), and can recommend the seminal Alan Bullock's Hitler: A Study in Tyranny. Downfall/Untergang is a superb film: the lead actor is Bruno Ganz, who is actually Swiss. As for playing historical "What if?" it is a pointless exercise. There is cause, result, effect, ad infinitum. As somebody once said: "The ship hit the iceberg! Get over it!"
       
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      I agree:thumbsup:But Nobody seems to learn eg Iraq
       
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      Interesting post and anybody reading it should come away a bit wiser.:smashin:

      The confusing bit are the smilies:confused:

      As they say anyone who does not learn from history are doomed to repeat their mistakes.
       
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      Just one more thing to add Heydrichs Evil might of come though childhood when he was called the Jew boy and when he Joined the Navy and even when he Joined the SS behind his back he was called "The Jew"and he kept trying to proving that he was not that is why he went extreme lenghs in getting rid of the Jews
       
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      That will be the Human Race then :rolleyes:
       

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