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The Last Samurai - Enjoyable *** Spoilers within ***

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by Mr.The.Spoon, Jan 10, 2004.

  1. Mr.The.Spoon

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    Saw this last night and while it was good, it did seem to suffer from some of the stereotypical Hollywood style parts.

    Charging through cannon fire and that new machine gun, only Katsumoto and Nathan are vaguely alive. Were no other samurai still moving at all? How come the white man survives it all and is allowed to appear before the Emperor??
    Wish I could learn to be an expert swordsman and martial artist in just one season.
    And to covert the wife of someone he killed. Make for interesting discussions at dinner. -- "So how did you two meet?"
    "Well I stuck a blade through her husband’s throat. Quite straight forward after that."
    Despite that I did enjoy the movie and it made want to go and watch the 7 Samurai again.

    Not normally a Cruise fan but would recommend this movie for a good evening.
     
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    Lost in translation isn't being show at my local theatre (damn!), so I'll be going to watch this as a substitute.
     
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    Mr.The.Spoon

    I understand what you are saying, but the crux of the matter is the 'honour' thing that we learn during the course of the movie - yes, perhaps he did covet his victims wife, but as they said, its about karma.

    Also, I thought his character was a skilled fighter before he became a reasonable samurai.

    Amazing how he picked up Japanese in no time at all though :)

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    I really enjoyed it. A bit of a cross between Dances with Wolves and Braveheart, well sort of

    it perhaps could have been trimmed by around 20minutes mind you

    he did spend a long time with them remember
     
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    i thought it was great.
     
  6. Mr.The.Spoon

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    Oh yeah. The over-riding message of how important honour is was brought across very well. I just didn't figure Nathan adopting a samurai way of life, especially wearing the armour, and then not dying in the battle.
    Still, prehaps the going home to a family was showing the beginning of a more modern samurai. Honour of looking after people as well as in fighting.

    I'll definitely watch it again when it's out on DVD.
     
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    Probably the best film I've seen in ages. I agree it could have been trimmed in places though. The comparison with dances with wolves is spot on, in fact it almost feels like a remake set against a samurai back drop in places!!

    Wonder if there will be a korean special edition dvd in the style of the dances with wolves one :smashin:
     
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    What do you think his name would be then? Smells like pigs :D
     
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    It was a good film. But lets face it, it was dances with samurai.
     
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    Glad someone else is missing Lost in Translation. Crap. Most Cinemas have no taste.

    I get the feeling that Cruise was meant to die in battle in some form of the film. The ending felt very tacked on. Studio influence?
     
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    I was pleasantly surprised to see the dts trailer run before we saw it. The first time I've seena film in dts in the UK, I think.
    It did sound good. If a tad quieter than what I'm used to.
     
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    Saw it last night in Crawley screen 4 - THX approved with SDDS sound:smoke:
    Thought it was Tom Cruise's finest hour (apart from Top Gun :rolleyes: ) but maybe 20 minutes to long...
     
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    well i only give it a 4 out of 10.....did not bother with last 20 mins...seen it all b4....
     
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    Couldn't have been in dts then...:rolleyes:
     
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    the dts track could have made all the difference !!!!
     
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    How do you know it wasn't dts?
     
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    shogun was better
     
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    Just got back from watching it.

    Must say I was quite impressed.

    It seemed to be to be more of a cinematic homage to Kurosawa in terms of it's form and cinematograhy. Maybe honouring the true last samurai? It's too late for clichés :laugh: :zonked:

    I think it was concious of its "influences" shall we say from 'Dances with Wolves', but obviously in a slighty different context.

    I did find it slightly annoying that Hollywood continues patronising us by basically saying, "this film is already too complicated and you won't understand the japanese cultures unless we give you a big white, white-teethed star to related to".

    I'd give it a solid 7/10. The premise could have been closer to a 9/10 in the right hands. Good production effort from Cruise though considering. :)
     
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    It was excellent.

    Of course Cruise is the only samurai to survive at the end. It's not difficult to figure out when going into a film entitled 'The Last Samurai' that the protagonist will probably end up being the last samurai. A 'Ronson Woodseal' title if ever there was one. Granted, it was nicely convenient - but it's entertainment, I like some stories to have happy endings sometimes - but hardly a difficult puzzle.

    As for becoming a samurai in a year, did you miss the bit where he was kicking the ass of about five of them in the first battle even whilst wounded? He could already take most of those guys without all the extra training.
     
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    just got back from watching this and thought it was excellent,really,really good film,music everything top notch,it was first showing in a newly opened cinema in my local town,at last no more traveling 120 miles to a dump of a uci,
     
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    Saw Last Samurai a week ago- can't wait to see it again. Really enjoyed it.
     
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    Saw it the other night, top film, really good. All been done before of course but what hasn't these days!?
     
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    I thought it was great also,although the showcase cinemas at Bristol should take the print out of circulation as it had some annoying marks throughout the film but i did forget about it as i was enjoying the film so much.

    Last Samuri 9/10
    Showcase Cinemas 0/10
     
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    Liked it and will buy it on DVD. :)
     
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    watched it again today,loved it even more,in the cinema with only 3 of us in,me the owners and the projectionist.Then i bought the soundtrack....roll on the dvds,anyone know if there is going to be a r3 super duper edition with dts etc???
     
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    Just a few things, (re watching this as I type ;) )

    Normally I'd be of the opinion that "it's just a movie" but, in it's defense.....

    Algreen was not "The Last Samurai" it was Kurosawa

    The speech at the end after Algreen hands the Emperor Kurosawa's sword begins "and so the day's of the Samurai had ended..." telling us that Kurosawa was the last...(although in reality Bushido was only "banned" in the post WWII reformation of Japan, same time as sword manufacture was initially banned)

    Algreen was not bound by Bushido having not been bound into service by any Lord, so not being a Samurai, so was not required to commit Seppuku under defeat.

    Even had Algreen been bound by Bushido, remember the writing on the sword given him by Kurosawa. "I belong to the warrior in whom the old ways have joined the new". Allowing a degree of modernity to be applied to his personal view on the code.

    Oh, and the Imperial Army took to their knees and bowed in respect, further absolving any disgrace...

    Algreen chose Bushido as a "way" to absolve his distaste for the previous battles he'd been involved in, remember flashbacks and his hatred of his superior officer. It's a very compelling credo, but almost impossible for one to maintain.

    On learning sword skills, he was already a skilled swordsman and hand to hand combatant, but with the heavier and more flamboyant sabre skills, 3-6 months of constant training would have brought him up to a good standard with a different blade, the biggest challenge is the mental control required.

    There are some holes in the historical, spiritual and tactical accuracy, but in general they got it close enough to please all but the most pedantic of us.
     

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