The end of Pandora for UK users ?

Ali G

Standard Member
I received this email this evening:

Sent: Mon Jan 07 21:46:47 2008
Subject: Pandora: Changes to Availability in the UK


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hi, it's Tim,

This is an email I hoped I would never have to send.


As you probably know, in July of 2007 we had to block usage of Pandora outside the U.S. because of the lack of a viable license structure for Internet radio streaming in other countries. It was a terrible day. We did however hold out some hope that a solution might exist for the UK, so we left it unblocked as we worked diligently with the rights organizations to negotiate an economically workable license fee. After over a year of trying, this has proved impossible. Both the PPL (which represents the record labels) and the MCPS/PRS Alliance (which represents music publishers) have demanded per track performance minima rates which are far too high to allow ad supported radio to operate and so, hugely disappointing and depressing to us as it is, we have to block the last territory outside of the US.

Based upon the IP address from which you recently visited Pandora, it appears that you are listening from the UK. If you are, in fact, listening from the US, please contact Pandora Support: [email protected].

It continues to astound me and the rest of the team here that the industry is not working more constructively to support the growth of services that introduce listeners to new music and that are totally supportive of paying fair royalties to the creators of music. I don't often say such things, but the course being charted by the labels and publishers and their representative organizations is nothing short of disastrous for artists whom they purport to represent - and by that I mean both well known and indie artists. The only consequence of failing to support companies like Pandora that are attempting to build a sustainable radio business for the future will be the continued explosion of piracy, the continued constriction of opportunities for working musicians, and a worsening drought of new music for fans. As a former working musician myself, I find it very troubling.

We have been told to sign these totally unworkable license rates or switch off, non-negotiable...so that is what we are doing. Streaming illegally is just not in our DNA, and we have to take the threats of legal action seriously. Lest you think this is solely an international problem, you should know that we are also fighting for our survival here in the US, in the face of a crushing increase in web radio royalty rates, which if left unchanged, would mean the end of Pandora.

We know what an epicenter of musical creativity and fan support the UK has always been, which makes the prospect of not being able to launch there and having to block our first listeners all the more upsetting for us.

We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in the UK for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we'll get beyond this. We're going to keep fighting for a fair and workable rate structure that will allow us to bring Pandora back to you. We'll be sure to let you know if Pandora becomes available in the UK. There may well come a day when we need to make a direct appeal for your support to move for governmental intervention as we have in the US. In the meantime, we have no choice but to turn off service to the UK.

Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008.

Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I'm very, very sorry.


-Tim Westergren
(Pandora founder)

This is a one-time account message



Im gutted. Any ideas how one can get around this "issue" - Im not sure what I will do without Pandora...:(
 

metroman2

Novice Member
Had my email today also, I play Pandora from the computer at work as I can't get a decent reception radio station so it will be a bit of a blow! metroman.
 

SteveAS

Novice Member
Yep, gutted as I subscribed the annual fee a month ago so I've lost out as well.

Anyone know how I can get a (part) refund?
 

metroman2

Novice Member
Yep, gutted as I subscribed the annual fee a month ago so I've lost out as well.

Anyone know how I can get a (part) refund?
That's rotten luck, I hope there is some way to get your sub back, they must have known about the possibility of throwing out UK listeners when they accepted your cash. metroman.
 
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thebigcheese

Guest
I've just put my mate onto it, he loves it.
Lives in Ohio and no doubt will be beaming like the Cheshire cat
 

DoomWolf

Novice Member
I still haven't had an email from Pandora. Are they sending them out in batches, or has my IP address not been flagged up? Here's hoping ;)
 

Bernie Lick

Standard Member
I've not had an email yet either.....

I wonder if you could use a US Proxy server for the SqueezeNetwork connection to circumvent this?
 

SteveAS

Novice Member
Well I sent an email to pandora support regarding my subscription and here's their reply back which was very prompt:

Hello Steve Sorry about that! I refunded your subscription, confirmation XXX Thank you for your supportive thoughts. Please believe that we have no choice in this. We've always been committed to fair treatment of composers, musicians labels and other rightsholders. That means respecting their rights in every country. This situation underscores the need for reform of the system for international licensing. The lack of a functional, centralized licensing scheme is clearly detrimental to working musicians and the audiences they hope to reach. However until this changes we need to abide by the existing laws. You can trust that we'll continue to work as hard as we can to push this issue forward; we'd like to be a truly global radio site! As a side-note, you will continue to be able to access your Pandora profile, in case you'd like to review your bookmarks and station feedback in the future. Thanks for writing.

JohnnyPandora Listener Support
 

rayring

Standard Member
Thank you Ray! thats an awesome alternative, any ideas on how long it will last?
I understand that globalpandora was cut off from UK listeners on 16 Jan. but I was in France at the time and still am there so cannot confirm that. Just tried it again on the off chance here in France today and received it again.
No idea how long it might last.
Ray
 

Crustyloafer

Distinguished Member
I understand that globalpandora was cut off from UK listeners on 16 Jan. but I was in France at the time and still am there so cannot confirm that. Just tried it again on the off chance here in France today and received it again.
No idea how long it might last.
Ray

I am listening to globalpandora right now from UK. Thanks Ray.

Does anyone know if I can use globalpandora on the Sonos like I could with normal Pandora?
 

Autopilot

Distinguished Member
A good alternative is Last.FM, i tend you use that more because of the great plugins for the Squeezebox. In many ways it's better - and it's completely free.
 

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