The Daily Show Deconstructs Fed's Miami Terrorists Hype

braiden

Novice Member
MikeTV said:
Believe it or not, Braiden, the Daily Show is my favourite TV program. Great stuff.
Hey listen mike I can beleive that, even in the other thread I hope you don't take offence at anything said. Just a good discussion from two perspectives.:smashin:
 

John 1987

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That was unbelievably funny, so-called educated officials getting completely shot down with simple predictably questions.
 

RMCF

Distinguished Member
Hate to repeat myself, but its the culture of fear again!!

Keep the people scared and you can get away with a lot of dodgy stuff.
 

ush flynn

Novice Member
Because Moore isnt just in it for the money is he? His films are based on pratically nothing, just the way he pieces together unlrelated crap makes people think he really knows the truth about everything. If you can believe what moore says then you are having the wool pulled over your eyes more than the rest of us.
 

Pat_C

Novice Member
ush flynn said:
Because Moore isnt just in it for the money is he? His films are based on pratically nothing, just the way he pieces together unlrelated crap makes people think he really knows the truth about everything. If you can believe what moore says then you are having the wool pulled over your eyes more than the rest of us.
Most people who rubbish Michael Moore do so because they have already decided that they are going to believe the official government line, and any other version of events cannot therefore be true. And as Moore himself has said, there are much easier ways to make money than what he does.
 

ush flynn

Novice Member
but he enjoys the controversy and has no other skills? its like the saying that boxers use about not being able to sing or dance so they box instead
I dont rubbish him because i want to believe the official government line. I know that hardly anything in the media is the full truth, official government or sensationalist film maker it doesnt matter. The fact his nearly every single scene in any of his films has been proven to have been used in the wrong context or with little to no backup. People have literally hacked his work to pieces and showed how much crap has been put into it. I cannot believe that people take this mans word for gospel when his films contradict each other!
 

RMCF

Distinguished Member
But there is also a lot of truth in his films, isn't there?

And on the original subject that started this thread, its just too easy for governments to 'invent' threats that are complete nonsense. Did you actually watch the YouTube clip above? Its so stupid its untrue. Their evidence is that one of the 'suspects' knows the Sears Tower!!! Come on. I know the Sears Tower and have never been in the US.

The US Gov yesterday raised the terror alert to SEVERE. By my reckoning this would mean that something is about to happen. I bet nothing does - because its always the same. For approx 2 years after 9/11, CNN had an on-screen scale of the terror alert, which used to flip between 3 and 4 (out of 5 = SEVERE I think). It would normally sit at 3 and on weekends such as 4th July it would go to 4. But nothing ever happened. In my mind it was just scare tactics.

As for this 'plot' in the UK - I am just waiting to see exactly how many of these men are charged or what evidence will be produced. And to say the 'plot' was similar in severity to WWII just made me laugh.

I try to imagine how these terrorists think. If this 'plot' was real then they will now go back and try to devise another way to kill, but that will probably take years of planning. I would now say that flying today or tomorrow is as safe as ever, yet the entire nation is scared to bits. This is the terrorists greatest weapon. With a few emails, telephone calls or press releases they can bring the West to a standstill.

I'm sorry if I sound cynical but its hard not to be. When we have the case of the Brazilian who was shot 8 times in the head, and find out that the police lied about the whole incident it tends to make you cynical. When the authorities know that 22 men are plotting to smuggle liquid explosives on to planes that looks like baby milk yet know nothing about 18 men who are taking flying lessons and planning to crash planes into 2 of the world's most famous buildings it tends to make you cynical. When they arrest and question nearly 150 people after 7/7 but ALL are released without charge then you tend to get cynical.
 
ush flynn said:
' The fact his nearly every single scene in any of his films has been proven to have been used in the wrong context or with little to no backup. People have literally hacked his work to pieces and showed how much crap has been put into it. I cannot believe that people take this mans word for gospel when his films contradict each other! '
.... and guess who hacks his films and works to pieces and publishes the info online....



The very people who he has been having a pop at.





... just how guilible are you ?
 

Pat_C

Novice Member
ush flynn said:
The fact his nearly every single scene in any of his films has been proven to have been used in the wrong context or with little to no backup.
It would help if you provided a couple of examples to illustrate what you are saying. Without that your claims are inevitably rather hollow.

It might make a welcome change from all the 9/11 discussion here to take your examples from Bowling for Columbine.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
ush flynn said:
The fact his nearly every single scene in any of his films has been proven to have been used in the wrong context or with little to no backup.
a lot of this so called proof is from neocon authors and filmakers and of course Fox; and then its about the less disturbing revelations.....

Much of his reporting on Bush's dubious business and army record, stealing the 2001 presidential election, protection of the Bin Laden family, the Carlyle Group, Haliburton. etc has been very well documented by the likes of Greg Palast and Robert Greenwald - a well respected investigative journalist and documentary maker. None of their submissions have been disproven.
 

ush flynn

Novice Member
Ethics Gradient said:
.... and guess who hacks his films and works to pieces and publishes the info online....



The very people who he has been having a pop at.





... just how guilible are you ?
Why is it i get asked to back up things i say when people can say things like this without knowing who or what source i was talking about initially?
Are you just assuming that im gullible because i dont like Moores work or his intentions? Do you somehow think that because you believe every word that comes out of his mouth that you and him are somehow better than me? That you're in some sort of secret club for people that know the truth and you can laugh at us and call us gullible from your little club house?
 

Pat_C

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ush flynn said:
Why is it i get asked to back up things i say when people can say things like this without knowing who or what source i was talking about initially?
I asked you to illustrate your claims with examples so I can understand what you are talking about. If you claim that almost everything Michael Moore has said in his films has been proven to be incorrect or misleading, then it isn't unreasonable to be asked why you make that claim.

Do you have any examples?
 

Pat_C

Novice Member
krish72 said:
a lot of this so called proof is from neocon authors and filmakers and of course Fox
Is Bush Lite's cousin still in charge at Fox News? Or is some other organisation now reaping the benefits of his objective, well balanced news reporting ethos? :)
 

MikeTV

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On Bowling for Columbine:

Since its commercial release last fall, it has become the best-selling non-concert documentary in history, with a global box office of more than $30-million (U.S.). In France, it has won the French Oscar, the César. It finished among the top 10 films of the year in such mainstream publications as Time magazine, USA Today and Entertainment Weekly and, in an arguable case of overkill, was picked as the greatest documentary of all time by the International Documentary Association in a poll of 2,000 documentary filmmakers around the world.

In the closely watched trade awards that lead up to the Oscars, the film has even won an award from the Writers' Guild for best original screenplay, unprecedented for a documentary.
(Source)

Which is not bad for a film in which "nearly every single scene...has been proven to have been used in the wrong context or with little to no backup"

Who is having the wool pulled over their eyes?
 

mrtbag

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Farnehiet 9/11 I am duboius about some content (actually, I am dubious about anything written by anybody about 911). However, Bowlin for Columbine is a masterpiece. It has a purpose, and it may just prove to a lot of people how stupid the US gun laws are.
 

ush flynn

Novice Member
ok consider this, to the people who support Moores books and films and his opinions. Have you read any of the arguments on the points hes made? Have you read any reports of incorrect facts or the altered ad campaign in bowling for columbine? If so? what proof do YOU have that they are untrue, or written by the people who Moore is opposing in the first place?

Ill admit i dont have the time or possible the internet access (at work while im here) to go looking for sources or things to show you that i have read. But at the same time i get moaned at for not backing up the things ive said i see many people countering me without any backup of thier own. So the whole thing becomes pointless. Hence my original question
 

drskhaled

Novice Member
Moore is an activist rather than a pure documentary maker. His filsm are naturally biased to his point of view. Farhenheit 911 was almost entirely a pro democrat propaganda just before the elections. I did find it interesting and its important that he has his alternative views aired, but i prefer documentaries to be less partial.

Bowling for columbine however was a very powerful polemic against the American gun laws. It's not entirely relevent how he presented the facts in that film as the subject matter is so emotive. thing is tho it changed nothing in the States.
 

Pat_C

Novice Member
mrtbag said:
However, Bowlin for Columbine is a masterpiece. It has a purpose, and it may just prove to a lot of people how stupid the US gun laws are.
I like to think that it has done, but it will never change anything. The level of US gun ownership is pretty much irreversible now from a social perspective - even if the (misinterpreted) right to bear arms in the constitution could be changed. When you combine that with the very powerful NRA lobby and a president from Texas, there is even less chance of moving away from the wild west mentality that inflicts the US.

But yes, the film is a masterpiece. How could anyone not be dumbfounded at the idea of a bank offering you a free gun if you open an account with them?
 

Pat_C

Novice Member
ush flynn said:
ok consider this, to the people who support Moores books and films and his opinions. Have you read any of the arguments on the points hes made? Have you read any reports of incorrect facts or the altered ad campaign in bowling for columbine? If so? what proof do YOU have that they are untrue, or written by the people who Moore is opposing in the first place?
So you are unable or unwilling to provide any evidence to support your claims, yet you expect others to do just that?

But you are attempting to polarise this into absolute right and wrong. Michael Moore and others like him should be considered as just one of many sources of information on which a balanced view can be developed - provided you don't start with a preconceived idea of what is true and what isn't.
 

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