The best PICTURE please?I m very tired...

[Murat]

How long will this research continue...I m very tired of checking or waiting for upcoming models...plus.. all the shpops and sellers will may be put my pictures on the wall.."dont get him inside"
But I feel I m not alone
Forget the prices,additional features and all the negatıves pints except PQ..
I will be watching SD SAT mostly...
Which one will give me the best viewing experience..
All I m looking for the excellent colour accurancy.. specially skin tones.
First of all pure white ( whiter than white) and good blacks of course...

So,
50 PIO 508XD
50 PANA PX700 (anti glare screen)
50 SAMMY Q96
47 PHILIPS PFL 9732 EISA WINNER
46 SAMSUNG F81 (25000 contrast gloosy screen)

I have only seen PANA 50PX700 in flesh and liked it but ı read the screen burn problems..."Is the same prob for PIO sThey were saying it was resolved."Who s right?...
Must I choice an lcd.?

HELP PLEASE.....

 

[JJTye]

Whatever one you go for, get Plasma. I have a loan LCD screen whilst my plasma is being repaired. The LCD picture is RUBBISH.

Regarding Plasma Screen burn, the Panasonics are very hard to burn in. My dad has a Panasonic plasma, he runs it at 100% contrast, watches a great deal of news channels with their scrollbars and banners, and has NEVER shown any burn in. He watched a channel that had a very bright yellow and red logo for hours on end, and the only issue was a slight ghost of that logo which went away after switching to another channel.

I wish I got a Panasonic but they are so expensive. To reiterate, DON'T get an LCD. The picture is terrible compared to Plasma. And believe it or not, LCDs also get screen burn (Ive seen it).

 

[chambeaj]

How long will this research continue...I m very tired of checking or waiting for upcoming models...plus.. all the shpops and sellers will may be put my pictures on the wall.."dont get him inside"
But I feel I m not alone
Forget the prices,additional features and all the negatıves pints except PQ..
I will be watching SD SAT mostly...
Which one will give me the best viewing experience..
All I m looking for the excellent colour accurancy.. specially skin tones.
First of all pure white ( whiter than white) and good blacks of course...

So,
50 PIO 508XD
50 PANA PX700 (anti glare screen)
50 SAMMY Q96
47 PHILIPS PFL 9732 EISA WINNER
46 SAMSUNG F81 (25000 contrast gloosy screen)

I have only seen PANA 50PX700 in flesh and liked it but ı read the screen burn problems..."Is the same prob for PIO sThey were saying it was resolved."Who s right?...
Must I choice an lcd.?

HELP PLEASE.....

From that list its an easy choice. The Pioneer 508XD. No worries about screen burn on the Pioneer - retention more or less a thing of the past with the new Pioneers. If you afford it there is also the Fujitsu P50XHA58EB to consider. The Fujitsu and the Pioneer are easily the two best on the market. At 50" I'd lean towards the Pioneer. At 42" I'd be more inclined to consider the Fujitsu. Also more care required with the Fujitsu when it comes to image retention.

 

[ijd]

You will never do it,
Personally i would go lcd, but as others have said go plasma i just shows it is all about preference, no reflection on lcd makes it a must for me as the glass plasma screen would show up more of my lounge than the actual picture it is supposed to, That is just one point why I think lcd are superior to plasma, but i bet for every reason i say lcd a plasma owner could give you a reason for plasma.
You will never be able stay ahead of technology, the only thing you can do is buy what you like best at time of purchase, and you can bet a day or so later something will be launched that has an extra feature.
you have compiled a list of sets` you are considering, why not stick to it and look for the best deal rather than the next best set. Or you could face a life of torment but no new TV

 

[Andy98765]

If you want to read up on the Pioneer 508 look at What Hi-Fi Oct 2007 page 10. they say the best TV ever.

 

[=adrian=]

SUMMARY
Pioneer PDP508XD is the cream of a bunch of 8G Kuro plasmas that delivers class-leading picture quality.

http://www.*/Pioneer-PDP508XD/

 

[Ruudfood]

If you can afford the Pio I'd go with that no doubt.

 

[badbob]

Whatever one you go for, get Plasma. I have a loan LCD screen whilst my plasma is being repaired. The LCD picture is RUBBISH.
To reiterate, DON'T get an LCD. The picture is terrible compared to Plasma.

Rot. Comparing the two, there's a slight difference (blu ray source) but hardly night and day. In fact the plasma had a annoying shimmering on the pixels.

 

[Murat]

Thank you for all of your replies..

I must add that I feel ı will go for plasma...the reflection isn t a problem for me ...because no window or direct lighting will be in front of it and I prefer watching in full darkened room with a low lighting coming from next room...
I beleive that gloosy screen give a picture more dimensional view comparing to matt screen.If I even choice an lcd,can go for the glossy one ( Sammy M86 or futur F81 of my list) .
The result:I think the choice will be between PIO 508 and PX700..If I have the chance to compare side by side ıt will help me more...

Thanks again and regards

 

[JJTye]

Rot. Comparing the two, there's a slight difference (blu ray source) but hardly night and day. In fact the plasma had a annoying shimmering on the pixels.

I stand by what I said about LCD screens. Ive compared LCD and plasma side-by-side and to my eyes at least, the LCD picture looks more 'cartoony' than the plasma picture. When I got my loan LCD set, even after lengthly tweaking, I can't get the picture to match my plasma's image quality. Not only that, the corners are slightly darker than the rest of the picture, which is probably caused by the ends of the backlights.

 

[ssjaronx4]

Go for the Pio 8G or Fujitsu if moneys no object. They meet all your requirements and you wont be dissapointed. Im personally going for LX508 when there released even though I work for fujitsu

 

[b0se]

I'd go with the Pio without a doubt.

LCD with SD is *terrible*. All LCD's are shown off with uber HD sources, which looks nice, but when taken home and plugged into an SD source they look really, really bad.

My Pio 427's SD (freeview) image is absolutely amazing - seriosuly. So sharp.

 

[TranceFan]

Go with a Fujitsu, best SD picture out there, esp when calibrated. The new pios are more noisy with SD from what Ive seen.

 

[Scott_Mac]

I'd take the Fujitsu over the Pio.. local hifi store have both on demo and the Fujitsu wins it for me, plus you get a far better warranty/backup package with it.

Local shop said that out the box the Pio needs a fair bit of setup, whereas the Fujitsu is not far off ready to go and also has zero issues with image retention!

 

[MAW]

The Fuji is also better finished, better build quality, and of course far friendlier dealers. Maybe in part you should give consideration to your sources, and other kit. You need to be able to connect it all via the optimum method. Another nice Fuji feature is IR discrete commanded picture memories, so that if you need to route 3 x component inputs via your amp, they can all be separately calibrated, and the ISF settings recalled either 'manually' with the remote, or by discrere IR and a Pronto or harmony

 

[b0se]

I'd take the Fujitsu over the Pio.. local hifi store have both on demo and the Fujitsu wins it for me, plus you get a far better warranty/backup package with it.

Local shop said that out the box the Pio needs a fair bit of setup, whereas the Fujitsu is not far off ready to go and also has zero issues with image retention!

Can't argue when being compared side-by-side (mine was from memory, perhaps not the best way to give advice!).

 

[Bumtious]

Well I've taken the Pio over the Fujitsu. And I've just bought 2. could have had either cuz I have a mate that sells Fujitsu so could have had those at trade price. funny what you hear from Fujitsu dealers who do not frequent this forum.

Better overall result and I'm sorry Fujitu owners, better SD performance imho, backed up by ALL reviews anywhere.

I agree the Fuji is smoother when close up but at a normal viewing distance with either set, set up properly, the scale that the far lower precharge (actual black starting point) gives to the picture is a vastly superior one with the Pio. The Pio also has better gradiation eliminating banding and posterization that blights all Panny based glass, and it cant be calibrated out.

I'd agree that with the 42" its closer but there is no contest with the 50".

Interesting that the the guy who works for Fujitsu is buying a Pio.

for sure the Fujitsu has been out on its own for a while, but not now.

Funny they lowered the price to coincide with the release of the Pio's.

 

[chambeaj]

Only real criticism I have of the 428XD is the crushed black levels. There simply is no comparison with the Fujitsu or a Panasonic PH9 in terms of shadow detail. Ironically its posterisation which lets the 42XHA58EB down. Just wish manufacturers would wake up and stop making what are basically avoidable mistakes.

 

[Bumtious]

Only real criticism I have of the 428XD is the crushed black levels. There simply is no comparison with the Fujitsu or a Panasonic PH9 in terms of shadow detail. Ironically its posterisation which lets the 42XHA58EB down. Just wish manufacturers would wake up and stop making what are basically avoidable mistakes.

Yes but considering the work I have done with Andrew Fee I'm certain that the very slight black crush can be ISF'd out.

As you know that is not an issue in the 50"

 

[chambeaj]

Yes but considering the work I have done with Andrew Fee I'm certain that the very slight black crush can be ISF'd out.

As you know that is not an issue in the 50"

To be honest the crushed black levels are the only thing stopping me from just settling on the Pioneer. I love the picture on the Fujitsu but just too worried that I'd run into the posterisation problems again. Add to this you just cannot get hold of the blasted things at present due to production issues. With respect to the Pioneer, even with gamma at 3 and brightness at +2 there were numerous occasions where I felt very frustrated by the poor level of shadow detail. For instance a black suit or leather jacket (in a dark scene or one with subdued lighting) just had no detail - just a mass of black. The Fujitsu or PH9 in comparison showed the most subtle dark area detail. I know what you are saying about ISF calibration sorting out the issue. But until someone actually gets a 428 ISF calibrated (and provides feedback) there will remain that nagging doubt!! i.e. is the 428 technically capable of producing the kind of shadow detail which can be observed on the 508XD - in otherwords is it definitely the case that Pioneer have simply mucked up the gamma curve presets on the 42" model.

Considering more than one review has picked up on this gamma curve issue you would think that Pioneer would take note!! - new firmware!

Its a shame they simply do not just make the multi point gamma curve adjustments available in the user menus. All manufacturers should do this imho. It would do no harm and would be of great benefit to the owner.

 

[atmoscinema]

"The best Plasma there is..."

 

[duke748]

Better overall result and I'm sorry Fujitu owners, better SD performance imho, backed up by ALL reviews anywhere.

Funny how everyone thats seen them side be side has gone Fuji way then eh

 

[Bumtious]

Funny how everyone thats seen them side be side has gone Fuji way then eh

Again duke untrue, about 5 people on here, thats all. That is not the case with other dealers who cant be bothered with the goings on here.

 

[duke748]

******** by name bumptious by nature

 

[Bumtious]

To be honest the crushed black levels are the only thing stopping me from just settling on the Pioneer. I love the picture on the Fujitsu but just too worried that I'd run into the posterisation problems again. Add to this you just cannot get hold of the blasted things at present due to production issues. With respect to the Pioneer, even with gamma at 3 and brightness at +2 there were numerous occasions where I felt very frustrated by the poor level of shadow detail. For instance a black suit or leather jacket (in a dark scene or one with subdued lighting) just had no detail - just a mass of black. The Fujitsu or PH9 in comparison showed the most subtle dark area detail. I know what you are saying about ISF calibration sorting out the issue. But until someone actually gets a 428 ISF calibrated (and provides feedback) there will remain that nagging doubt!! i.e. is the 428 technically capable of producing the kind of shadow detail which can be observed on the 508XD - in otherwords is it definitely the case that Pioneer have simply mucked up the gamma curve presets on the 42" model.

Considering more than one review has picked up on this gamma curve issue you would think that Pioneer would take note!! - new firmware!

Its a shame they simply do not just make the multi point gamma curve adjustments available in the user menus. All manufacturers should do this imho. It would do no harm and would be of great benefit to the owner.

I agree on a technical level, but its really easy for a user to muck up the gamma curve, the Fuji and the pio are alreadytoo complex for most users, I really do suspect this csn be fixed with ISF, and its only slight, there may well be a firmware update but its early days yet.

All sets, even the Fuji ARE overcooked out of the box, and sadly most people dont bother with ISF, and they should, it is the only way to get things right. But most people dont understand that is impossible to do this out of the box so they have to be set so they standout in a showroom because only a handfull of dealers will show them off properly.