well guys i seeked your advice for a cheap but worthwhile upgrade from my kef 1000.2 sub. well i listened and got an ms 309. WOW its a lot more subtle in places, ie it doesnt add to much bass to voices etc, but when its needed! oh yeah! only a week ago i watched war of the worlds and the bit where they 1st start to rumble, before coming out of the ground was good, could hear it bottoming out however and it wernt deep, but still enjoyable, anyways i watched it again last night and! shamoan! the preasure made my ears go funny, no bottoming out and nice and tight! thats more like it so cheers guys!