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Tevion 42" Plasma at Aldi

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by mike7, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. mike7

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    What promises to be a bargain at your local Aldi seems, on closer inspection, to be a technical curiosity. On sale from 21st July is a 42" Tevion Plasma which boasts a LG Panel and dual TV tuners from Samsung. All this for £999.99. OK so far? Technical spec states '42" in 16:9 format, 852(H)x480(V) pixel resolution'. The spec goes on to say 'Optimal Solution (???) 1280x1024 over VGA'. It claims to have 'full HDTV compatibility (480p,720p,1080i) via DVD input including HDCP decoding.' The ad displays the HDTV logo.
    Just how is this achieved with an 852x480 pixel screen ? or am I missing something ?
     
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    Does the HD ready standard require the set to be able to display in the native resolution without scaling. Or just that it must be able to display a 720p source over HDMI/DVI with HDCP?

    I guess a 1024x768 plasma for a grand is just too much to ask currently.
     
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    The set appears to be HD compatible (copyright Joe or Liam) but is not HD ready, not enough pixels.
     
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    The EICTA license agreement clearly states
    “1. Display, display engine
    • The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
    physical lines in wide aspect ratio.”

    http://www.eicta.org/files/LicenseAgreement-114600A.pdf (p11)

    The Aldi advert displays the "HD Ready" logo but also states the screen has only a 480 pixel vertical resolution.

    It will be interesting to see if the TVs are withdrawn from sale or if there is any information given to prospective customers!
     
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    Its up on the uk website now too. Bulleted as

    'HDTV ready'

    and a somewhat dubious

    'Amazing 10,000:1 contrast ratio'

    Its a real shame as i've been eagerly anticipating the arrival of this set, but the low res is somewhat offputting.

    Having followed with interest the thread on the 32" LCD from aldi and its associated troubles due to false advertising and poor support, it gives one pause for thought.

    Still, being realistic, the aldi set, with its medion badged LG panel, may still turn out to be a reasonable investment for people with realistic expectations.

    Index and Argos both recently had (argos still has) a Goodmans GTV42P 42in Plasma TV for £999, so I guess this would be in a similar league.

    Are LG panels considered superior to those badged Goodmans?

    Also what do they mean by

    Optimal solution 1280 x 1024 over VGA.

    I currently output my PC to my CRT via S-Video mini din for movies and such forth, does the VGA output equate to PC output?

    Finally it states that Plasma TV's must be kept upright at all times. What is the significance of this?
     
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    Last line is utter, utter rubbish, and shows just how little they actually know. I'd guess the rest of the spec is similar ********
     
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    Re the LG Panel, I did read once and also heard that LG produce the most panels out of all the manufactures, wether that means they are better or what I dont know.
    Also it has to stay upright due to the gases but mainly as it has a glass panel and its heavy any wrong movement will crack it.
     
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    This is simply wrong, just as wrong as all the pathetic stories about plasmas needing re-gassing. LG might or might not be the most prolific, they probably sell more glass panels to other re-badgers than others, who prefer to retain some quality control over the final product. As in, Pioneer, Hitachi, Panasonic etc. don't want Aldi dragging their name down by false claims, dodgy electronics and poor backup.
     
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    As I understand it the gas depletion issue is relevant, just misunderstood.
    The deterioration in contrast is not due to escaping gas but the half life of the gas atoms, which naturally break down over time and with use (I guess into more inert states). This is accelerated with the use of higher contrast levels when viewing.
    Correct me if i'm wrong! :confused:
     
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    When I was a student, many years ago I had a rubber stamp that said ********. Wish I still had it.
     
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    MAW you can borrow mine mate :D
     
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    As far as I am aware it is the phosphor material that ages and degrades with use and time just as it does in CRT sets. The gas in plasma panels, Xenon and Neon, is pretty inert if you can remember back to your Chemistry classes.

    S.
     
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    so is this a crap tv that just sounds good :(
     
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    By the sounds of the description, it's a TV that can accept High Definition video signals and re-scale them to its native resolution of 852(H)x480(V). To some that is acceptable to others it would be crap.

    Very dodgy if it is wearing an HD Ready logo with it's advertising though.

    S.
     
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    We don't know if the TV is crap or not. But wholesale untruth in a specification is not a promising start. And thanks, Highlander, I might be grateful sometimes!
     
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    Think I need to do a little more reading around the subject, chemistry never was my strong point lol.
     
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    Just received Aldi flyer via email, in stores next Thursday.

    P.S Note comment about transporting them!

    Watch all your favourite films and programmes in crystal-clear, panoramic style.

    Amazing 10,000:1 contrast ratio
    1,500 cd/m2 brightness
    Free tilting wall bracket
    Fully inclusive 3 year manufacturers warranty worth over £500
    HDTV ready
    2 x 10W NICAM speakers
    Also includes:

    42" (106cm) plasma display manufactured by LG in 16:9 format
    852 (H) x 480 (V) pixel resolution
    Full HDTV compatibility (480p, 720p, 1080i) via DVD input including HDCP decoding.
    Over 160º horizontal/vertical viewing angle
    16.7 million colours.
    Full dual TV tuners manufactured by Samsung for full Picture-in-Picture functionality.
    Multi-picture function and full split-screen viewing
    99 TV channels
    Optimal solution 1280 x 1024 over VGA.
    2 x 10W built-in speakers
    NICAM Stereo Sound
    On-screen display menu
    Full Teletext with 100 page memory
    Automatic channel search
    Sleep timer
    Picture freeze function
    Size: 1045 x 640 x 88mm (without stand) 1045 x 700x 240mm (with stand)
    Approx. weight 50kg
    Remote control (batteries included)
    Customer helpline available
    Three year warranty
    Plasma TVs are fragile and must be kept upright at all times - please arrive at store with a suitable vehicle that will accommodate the TV upright in the box (1175 x 855 x 380mm boxed). We recommend you have the wall bracket installed by a professional, please also check the suitability of the wall carefully.
     
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    Anyone now what connections this set has :confused:

    :D
     
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    By no stretch of the imagination can a set with an 852x480 pixel screen be described as High Definition. Let the buyer beware, even at £999 it's a rip-off, but no doubt the punters will be queueing on Thursday morning. Aldi should stick to selling carrots and cheap bog cleaner!
     
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    So Where does it tell you what connections the set has :D . I can not see that

    :confused:
     
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    I think thats probably a bit harsh. Youd be hard pressed to find another package like this, considering it comes with wall mounting bracket, table stand and 3 year warranty and is jam packed with inert gasses guaranteed to glow forever (well that last bit may not be exactly true).

    It may not be the dogs do da's but for the money i'm sure its reasonable value (not sure i'll be sticking my neck out and buying one just yet mind lol).

    If it was a toss up between this and say a toshiba picture frame 3 crt 36ZP48 which can be acquired for about £850, what would be the wisest choice? The tosh weighs in at 80kg without stand and probably wouldn't even fit through my flat door boxed, but the pq on the one i've seen is outstanding.
     
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    ase001, the a does not stand for Aldi does it? You seem very keen on it.
     
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    http://www.eicta.org/files/LicenseAgreement-114600A.pdf

    Thanks for the link in your previous post Bill S, it certainly contradicts the claims made by aldi that it is truly HD Ready.

    Annex A section 4 of the above file clearly states;

    4. Requirements for the logo “HD ready”
    The EICTA "HD ready" Minimum Requirements for display devices are neutral towards the
    technology used (plasma, LCD, DLP, DLA, LCoS, CRT, ...) as well as the implementation
    thereof (flat panel, rear projection, front projection, direct view, ...).
    A display device has to cover the following requirements to be awarded the logo “HD ready”:
    1. Display, display engine
    • The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720
    physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
    2. Video Interfaces
    • The display device accepts HD input via:
    o Analogue YPbPr1, and
    o DVI or HDMI
    • HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
    o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and
    o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)
    • The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)

    Perhaps someone should give aldi a ring. There website doesn't seem to have a 'contact us' button else I might have sent them an email to see if they share our view.

    Still, having just had a look at a 42" 852 x 480 LG panel in comet, priced £1,499, it didn't look too bad, it was certainly the better of the 3 they had in that row (didn't note the other brands other than they were well known).

    Is anyone considering going out on a limb on this one and snapping one up?
     
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    Lets not get too carried away trashing ALDI - for the price with a 3 year warranty included it's not that bad a deal - there wont be many units for sale anyway - its a limited one time offer!

    The somewhat elitist attitude some posters are already exhibiting towards ALDI is a touch OTT.

    There are many SD panels out there described as HDD Ready or Compatible - thats not really news - people just need to have some common sense.

    Standards compliancy has always been an issue. affecting many manufacturers include the great and mighty Panasonic!

    If this product turns out crap then at least with ALDI you can take it back for a full refund - no questions asked.

    Gussie :)
     
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    every body who is unhappy about the misuse of "HD ready" please email Tony.graziano@eicta.org <Tony.graziano@eicta.org>
    he is the director of technical services for EICTA
     
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    i dunno, Aldi hate taking back certain products.

    i know this as they have given my problems in the past :(
     
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    I was until I had read all the posts in all the threads about this.

    Maybe wait a bit longer!!!

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    You would think it has a HDMI slot as it accepts HDCP over the 'DVD' input.
    I would be suprised if this is true, you get what you pay for....ALDI means cheap crap.
    But if people are sucked in without doing research then it is their own fault. :devil:
     
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    Why not buy a pw6 instead? Its only slightly more.
     

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