Terror Attacks in France and Tunisia

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  1. Cliff

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    Here's an idea. Why don't we import more of these wonderful people into this country? They are so lovely, so peaceful! What could go wrong?
     
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    It is difficult to maintain a balance when these atrocities occur, but objective opinions are so much better than blind, angry subjective opinions.
     
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    where is all this leading?
     
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    Maybe this is leading to the division HRH The Queen Elizabeth II is on about.
     
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    He's only saying what so many will be thinking.

    Hardly a month goes by now without a similar story.

    Guess we should be grateful it's usually not in our backyard. Yet.
     
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    Are you thinking what I’m thinking? That we could be involved in wars for the best part of this millennium thus far and not expect any blow back, time to take those rosy red glasses off!
     
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    It's more than likely that if we do suffer with a terrorist atrocity again, it will be carried out by British born citizens who have fought in Iraq and Syria and have come back to wage jihad here (they will probably link up with any ISIS fighters who've managed to enter the UK illegally via the crisis in the med).
    However angry people are, we should not let blind rage guide us. We need to be methodical and decisive in defeating ISIS, and then whatever else springs up in it's place. Killing Osama Bin Laden did not end the fight, it just closed a chapter in something that's probably going to span the rest of this century.



    We had suicide bombings on the tube, and a copycat failed attack, Solider beheaded etc. And a whole host of other attacks that were foiled by the police and security services. We have to be lucky every single time, Terrorists only have to be lucky once. If we do get attacked ? I doubt very much that it will have the effect Terrorists intend.

    Time we took on ISIS directly and cleaned up the mess Bush and Blair created.

    Edit: Just heard British people may well be victims. Not sure if that's been confirmed yet or not.
     
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    What with? Not only are the armed forces the smallest ever, they may get even smaller still. I posted elsewhere on it, 30 RAF squadrons down to 7 etc.

    House of Commons Defence Committee report. | AVForums
     
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    By we I meant the Western World. It's not something the UK could do on it's own. The US has the resources to crush ISIS, but Obama does not seem interested in that. Guess it would take an attack on US Soil to get Obama to send US troops in to defeat the immediate threat of ISIS.
    Defeating the ideology is a different battle altogether.
     
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    You first, we already cleared a nice little path in Libya. Then Cameron and Hague tried to side with ISIS in getting rid Bashar al-assad, I would rather put my faith, in a kid playing total war or something.

    Indeed the idea of painting a clearer target over the UK does not appeal to me.. Cannot see the point in starting yet another war that we have no clear principled conviction to see through, anyway we are skint and for once, thankfully.
     
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    There is a US-led coalition involved. I can't see our commitment getting any bigger or anyone elses.

    Military intervention against ISIL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  13. Cliff

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    Defeating ISIS in say Syria would not defeat extremism and terrorism in our own country and around the world. That seed has already been planted.
     
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    Which is why I said fighting the ideology is a different battle altogether. Osama Bin Laden is dead, but the ideology he helped to create and promote is very much alive and kicking. ISIS is merely attempting to make Osama Bin Laden's dreams of an Islamic Caliphate become a reality.

    What we have at the moment is the US providing air support (reconnaissance and air raids) , equipment and training, alongside special forces operations. The Kurds have shown that ISIS when cornered tend to crumble and melt away to fight another day. The only way I could see the US directly intervening against ISIS with it's full military might is if ISIS use WMD's of some kind.

    These Ladies were extremely lucky -
    Tunisia witnesses: 'We're lucky to be alive' | Calendar - ITV News
     
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    What about the 25 dead in Kuwait or are those people not important enough for you and do not feed into your agenda.
     
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    Western Media and Sunnis aren't in the least bothered about the sh*te's being killed in a daily basis. Very rarely do Sunnis even condemned these attacks but go silent. If Muslim want unity then they have to speak up!

    Shame we didn't side with Putin and Assad to wipe out those cowards but rather fund so called "Rebels' and now we've got Isis stronger than ever and able to communicate globally.
     
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    Well those are a couple of upstanding liberal thinking democrats with peaceful intent
     
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    Agreed. Sadly.

    Just have to live with it. Nothing can be done to stop it without massive worldwide cooperation.

    More chance of an asteroid wiping out half the planet and uniting the other half though. Imo.
     
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    Putin, only person who stopped another mass invasion. Syria would have been another Libya with no intention of helping the Nation.
     
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    You're right. Putin is a nasty piece of work along with the evil dictators he's supported - Assad, Hussein, Ghaddafi etc but, bad as they were, they at least kept the even nastier ISIS in check - they're just beyond the pale and can never be reasoned with.

    Regardless of all that, my big question in all of this (and it just goes on and on) is when are the so-called "moderate Muslims" going to sort out the extremists - or are all Muslims and Islam basically all the same and part of the problem? (not meant to be inflammatory or blindly tarring all Muslims with the same brush but it just seems to be an ongoing issue with that "religion" - and keeps getting worse and worse...)
     
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    Sadly it seems that 38 people were killed, majority British.

    The tourist industry has effectively stopped.
    For Tunisia, after its successful "Arab Spring" it will be very difficult for the country to stay on track and remain peaceful.
     
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    Incredible how Ghaddafi, Assad and Hussein became dictators when I've stopped working with them.

    No dig at you Rock, but it shows how easy it is to change the past and history. Wonder if in 50 years the Saudi's will ever be looked at the murderous regime that's funded terrorism with other nations too.
     
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    You mean, they are not already.
     
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    No, not yet.

    Not till WE start condemning them, sanctioning, boycotting. It's no difference then expecting Muslim to condemn extremist if the fellow Nations of the West are standing up to the root of the cause.
     
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    You mean our establishment and elected representatives, Saudi are friends with benefits at this conjecture, we can protest strongly with the means, we as individuals possess. Better to say something than nothing. Winston Churchill spoke out against Nazi Germany another friend with benefits at the time, at the same time our establishment and elected representatives lent and wine and dined to this evil state, Churchill was derided right up to Germany annexing countries.
     
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    Reading between the lines, the French attack seems to be more personal than terrorist. But the killer had the gumption and planning to try and make it look terrorist related. Premeditation of the crime and then some.
     
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    We need to stop these preachers spreading hate and brainwashing people. They are the root cause of the problem by building a cult of hatred, death and evil.
     
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    ^^^ not so easy when the ideology and recruitment is now firmly based on the internet
     
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    I would have thought the same until I came and worked in KSA, believe it or not the majority of the people I come in contact with are very normal, yes they fast during Ramadan, pray etc, but they don't hate us, they want a better life as like most sensible people.

    They may have draconian laws, but it's their country and TBF you don't see any low level crime, most of it is "white collar" fraud etc, praying on people who by and large are just normal working people.

    They spent a vast amount of money on combating "terrorism", approx 250k USD for 1 terr, 2 is 1M and onwards and upwards. I am not saying it is a great place to live and some laws are plain wrong.

    They have extremists wanting to overthrow the government as well, probably of their own making also.
     

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