Terminator 2: Judgment Day Skynet Edition Blu-ray Review

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    1. The News Bot

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      Reviewed by Simon Crust, 9th June 2009
      So, once again, we have a release of Terminator 2, how many is that now? No matter, with three editions of the film, upped picture and sound, all the extras and more on this Skynet edition, Lionsgate have really pushed the envelope on what the format can do. Fully interactive, even taking into account getting used to the menus and their long load times, once up and running there is not another disc out there that can match it for sheer technology. All this and one of the best sequels of all time!

      Does all the above candy justify another dip, well, with such an all encompassing disc as this, and cheap to boot, it remains to be seen if the buying public will swallow this ad for Terminator Salvation. As for me, I think this is the definitive version.


      Read the full review...
       
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      I feel this film needs a complete overhaul- like they did with the James Bond Lowry restorations of the 4K Bladerunner. Eventually I imagine James Cameron will be involved in this project.
       
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      Si - excellent review as always - but it seems there is a huge disagreement of your conclusion in the picture quality stakes...here...granted it's the UK release talked about in the thread - so do you think we have a different release over here?

      I have highlighted the contrast change (as have one or two other people) and in our opinion, it doesn't work for the best...certainly in the near all white scenes inside the asylum and fleshtones throughout are all wrong - just opinions of course.

      Cheers mate

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      Cheers Bri, havent yet seen the UK version, Gerry was going to be doing all this but, as noted, was unable to play them; the disc is on its way back to me (from Ireland) so I'll spin it and do a full on review early next week - hopefully clear this up.

      Unfortunately I dont have the Optimum release, so am unable to do a one on one comparison (another reason Gerry was going to do the review - actual grabs), I only have the French Studio Canal HD DVD, and this one is a better picture, as I stated.

      Do you have the Optimum disc?

      Fancy popping it in the post and I'll compare?

      Simon
       
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      I don't have it mate no...but you're welcome to my Skynet UK release if it'll speed up an "offical" comparison...;)
      Could pop it through your letterbox on Thursday afternoon.

      Have to agree on the long load times - takes 2 minutes on my Sony 350 but "only" about 45 seconds on my PS3.
       
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      I will have the optimum release in a couple of days. I will gladly send it to you for you to have a look at. :thumbsup:
       
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      Wont be getting the multiregion player until Monday, Bri, so that's the earliest I could start, by then the UK disc should be back with me, but thanks for the offer :)

      Stu, if you're happy to do that then I'll certainly take a look - unfortunately can't do actual grabs, as yet don't have that technology, but will scrutinise and report back what I see.

      PM me and I'll forward my addy

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      i totally trust you review simon, or indeed any review by my beloved forums im about to make a decision on this i can only go for 1 version which will be a region b version, so a comparison between skynet region a vs region b would be great asap. i absolutely hate grain, and prefer a smooth picture (but not at the expense of detail!). so i already look forward to your region b review!
       
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      So I take it you never go to the cinema then...:rolleyes:

      Don't get me started on DNR!!

      :D
       
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      theres not much on the cinema thse days that excites me, noi dont like grain on movies at home, unless it is intentional (and even then i dont like it) but hey thats just me...i bought the assassination of jesse james the other day, which is one of my favorite films of recent years and the amount of grain and the standard of the picture is shocking for blu-ray.
       
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      I take it you know it's on the film stock don't you...? it's supposed to be there...
       
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      actually..no i didnt..i just thought grain appeared due to a number of different factors..so you learn something new everyday..and i have been reading that people are sensitive to dnr and it can bother them during the duration of watching a movie.in simons review then..it would appear that other reviewers (not of these forums) have said that alot of dnr has been applied, upped the contrast and at the expense of detail!...but simons review clearly contradicts some of his points (especially detail, and that spectacular picture simon mentions. (simon jump in anytime)

      im looking to make a purchase of this title today!...ive avoided buying as a knew a double dipper was coming on blu-ray. but sound and extras are also important to me, i wanted to see how much of a compromise the new edition is in pq to the old optimum bare bones disc (which seems to have shot up in price in certain corners!)..they obviously read the forums as well!

      i have had a look at the comparison that was posted and although i can see the difference in that still shot and the old optimum version was better, but ..it is difficult to get a feel for the "skynet" edition PQ as a whole unless it is in motion.

      now ..ok..i know its not a matter of life and death lol..and it is not gonna break the bank at roughly £17..but i like to own the best version i can get at that point in time, so i dont have to mess around selling etc if a newer better version comes out..but since there is much debate to be had here and lots of contradicting opinions it would be nice to let the forums compare all the versions and put the facts out there so we can make an informed choice!

      rant over!
       
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      simon, i noticed you raved about the extras ..yet it only got a score of 6??

      just wondering why?
       
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      Simon, I don't agree. The French HD DVD wees all over the Skynet encode. Yes, there's a lot less grain in the latter but they've taken fine detail with it.

      Here's a nice comparison from AVS between the US Skynet disc and the recent Jap version (needs Silverlight). Pay attention to the fine hairs by Sarah's ear and the arm of her sunglasses. That there is actual detail which has been smoothed out, not just random grain.

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      Some people scoff and say that the extra detail is simply down to edge enhancement, but that's bull-****. Even the new Skynet encode has obvious edge halos.
       
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      I agree that some detail is lost, but I still prefer the cleaner image of the less noisy print.
       
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      If the grain is there, it's there.
      I'd glady sit through it all day over a digitally filtered picture.
      Urgggghh.
       
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      Agreed - it's an integral part of the film making process - Terminator: Salvation is going to cause a rumpus as it's full of it - most of it put in digitally!:eek:
       
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      Strange, maybe it was to mask all that face contorting by Bale.
      He is the epitomy of the Superhero voice.:D

      Why did they add it in? , to make it seem gritty, or more futuristic even?.:rotfl:
       
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      I don't know - it's kind of like the effect on 300...T:S looks like the kind of film that was shot 99% in front of a blue screen, so they probably added it to make it look more like film - though Geoff D is more of an authority on the whys and where's of this kind of thing...
       
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      Then use the noise reduction/sharpness control on your telly, as I prefer my films not to look like videogames. :cool:
       
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      Why should I?
      Noise is a by characteristic of film, not a deliberate addition to the movie. Why the hell would anyone want to keep it?:suicide:
       
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      Errr...to make it look like film...?
       
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      Oh dear... :suicide:
       
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      i think it looks mint!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
       
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      Well..... I could bear it no more, and given that no one on here had any idea, I took the plunge and phoned Optimum Releasing.

      The indication there is that the DTS MA 6.1 soundtrack is in fact a matrix version (similar to the DVD release) and not discrete! Given that I rely on the player (Sony BDP S550) to output to 7.1 analogue and not through a receiver (which I'm sure would process to 6.1), is the 5.1 soundtrack all I can actually expect, or should the player be decoding 6.1 anyway?

      There appears to be no clear indication either as to whether the soundtrack is in fact flagged to decode an EX/ES matrix mix.

      Optimum do not seem to be on the ball on this one, but I'm now told to expect a reply from someone in Germany......

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      Great review. I fondly remember my faux leather bound LaserDisc T2 - I sat through every single disc and every single extra.

      T2 remains firmly in my favourite top 3 films.

      I see a few people commenting on Salvation. Saw this last night and enjoyed it - although it actually felt like an extended television episode of TSCC.

      Much better than T3 though. Heck, me walking around in my underpants in an NCP car park with a smoke machine behind me would be better too.....

      Thanks for the review. Must re-visit. £17 is a bargain. I think my LD version was over £100:eek:
       

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