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Telewest? Sky? ntl? OnDigital? - I'm still not sure...

Discussion in 'Cable TV & Virgin Media TV' started by MrBigAl, Aug 5, 2001.

  1. MrBigAl

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    Hi

    I used to have OnDigital (with IDTV) and when the picture was good it was damn good!

    But, the OnDigital aerial folks wouldn't upgrade my aerial cos they couldn't get a signal strength of 50 in my house so the reception was rather intermittent. In the end I had to get rid of it.

    I therefore have gone for Telewest Cable TV but I am not so happy with the picture quality (I have a 36" Sony Wega, 100hz TV) and am currently undecided what to do about it all. I have noticed thay even the main channels such as ITV can look crap at times.

    I have a few questions:

    Which of the available digital TV signal suppliers gives the best quality picture (Sky? ntl? etc.) If there is a leader in quality then I would sign-up to them.

    Do fancy things like gold-plated scarts, clean carpets and holding your breath actually make any difference to the picture quality? (that a pair of eyes can notice rather than some mhz-measuring machine).

    Should I have persevered with OnDigital more (apparently my signal strength is about 25 and my previous IDTV needed 50) and gotten some other aerial guys in to see what they could do?

    I am apparently 200m away from the Telewest cable street-box and the engineer did say I was borderline but it wouldn't make any difference to the picture quality - was he lying to me and would that actually degrade my Telewest picture (or, if it works, which it does, is the picture either on or off).

    I hope some clever in-the-know-type-a-person can give me some advice as I am determined to feed my Sony TV with the best quality broadcast signals I can get my hands on!!

    Cheers

    PS. What do y'all think of the Pioneer NS-DV55 home cinema kit? And, would having it converted to multi-region affect the quality in any way? Sorry to sneak in an extra question there!!!
     
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    You don't tell us where in the Midlands you are. If you give me your Postcode I will tell you if your area should be fully covered by ITV Dgital (previously Ondigital)<br />Your Sony TV may have an RGB Scart socket which will give you a better Quality Picture.<br />I have a Sony KV-28FX60U TV and get Exellent Results from my Nokia ITV Digital Box using the RGB out which, you can access fom the Nokia Box TV Setup Menu.<br />Some TV's give lousy picture from Scarts because they were only used for VHS which is only half broadcast quality so, manufacturers didn't bother.<br />This is not the case with more up to date sets.<br />I wait for yiour reply.
     
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    I have sky digital and ntl`s digital cable, both daisy-chained through my dvd player for RGB. tv is a sony KV36FS70 and i would say that sky wins in the picture and sound department. With sky the dish has no obstructions i.e trees tall buildings etc, signal strengh is 85% and signal quality is 80%. Only in really bad weather is the signal weakened, so there`s one dish one cable one digi box if thats all set up right you can`t beat it. But with ntl digital cable you got one cable feeding thousands and i noticed the difference when switching between the two. Yes the picture can be gobsmacking at times on ntl but only for short periods. i know which one i would go for. By the way i had on digital, i got it just for the champions league what a load of sh*te, if you can`t see the tv mast from your house forget it. The other thing is when watching digital through 100htz tv`s try and keep dnr off or at low if you have a good signal you don`t need all the enhancements on. digital signal + digtal enhancements = bluring and strobing. So get sky digital get a good scart (QED ) about £40 set sky for RGB connect tv RGB then sit back and enjoy.

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  4. johnson

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    I have itv-digital on a sony kp44-ps2 and the quality has gone down since 11 August.They started transmitting with increased digital signal compression to allow the use of more channels.<br />I contacted itv-digital and it seems this is how it will stay.Incedently you dont notice the increased compression on smaller tv's,but i think I'm going to change to sky as well.
     
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    I appologise for my last post, should have read ii July.
     
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    Or was that 11 July!
     
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    I have the Pioneer NS-DV55, and it is absolutely top notch. Great picture quality, good sound, plenty of bass, amazing sub woofer, and plenty of options and inputs, outputs.

    Techtronics do a multi region model for 467 +vat at the moment, cheapest i've seen (www.techtronics.com). I bought mine non multi region for 550 from unbeatable.co.uk, so really good value at the moment.
     
  8. GadgetObsessed

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    Hi

    I bought a Pioneer DV55 last Christmas. Picture quality is pretty good and so is the sound - though it a bit too base heavy for my taste. Overall I am impressed apart from a couple of gripes. It only has S-Video output and not the superior RGB-Scart. You can see the difference - especially on a 36" tv. Scart is also better because it can switch the TV over to the correct input when you start playing a DVD. The radio sounds rather flat and compressed. The remote can be a bit awkward to use due to the amount of features in a single box (sometimes have to press 3 buttons to change one setting) but I have found its ability to control my TV, video and OnDigital box very useful.

    <br />The separate display is also useful (but a bit small from across the room) as I keep the unit in a wooden cabinet.

    I bought my unit from <a href="http://www.sdb-electronics.com/DVD_Systems.htm" target="_blank">www.sdb-electronics.com/DVD_Systems.htm</a><br />They are selling the DV55 for £469 (Region 2) or £549 (multiregion). Note that you have to manually change the region setting.

    The new JVC NS9 all-in-one does have a scart that may support RGB. However when I saw one it looked pretty flimsy and the surround speakers are very small and light. Sony will shortly be bringing out a new model that looks very similar to the Pioneer and it may be worth waiting to see it is like.

    For me OnDigital wins because so much of the broadcasting is in widescreen.
     
  9. richardr

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    When looking at platforms, you need to take into account what programmes or type of programmes you tend to watch most.

    If it is free to air, such as ITV, BBC, etc., with just a few pay channels, then Ondigital is probably best, and has a better picture than the others.

    If it is movies, then Sky tend to win (with ntl) as they have all the Sky Movie channels (all 10 of them), ands a much better selection of PPV movies than sat ITV Digital.

    If it is sport it is a bit trickier at the moment. The new ITV Sports channels is due to launch on just ITV Digital and ntl digital, so if you want to watch the Nationwide league in particular you will want ITV Digital or ntl. If you mainly watch Sky Sports, currently only Sky Digital has this in widescreen and with the interactive elements.

    The only thing you mention is picture quality. I'm in an ntl area, so can't comment on Telewest, but would say based on ITV Digital, Sky and ntl, that all have the capability of giving good picture quality. ITV Digital suffer on the pay channels by sqeezing too many in the bandwidth, which as mentioned above doesn't affect ITV or BBC so much, and a well set up Sky system is virtually the same as a well set up cable system to me.
     
  10. MrBigAl

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    Hi

    Thanks to everyone who took the time & trouble to reply to my questions. It looks as though Sky has the edge as far as picture quality is concerned so I might investigate that option further.

    To Grant: I did check and apparently I am in an OnDigital area but the guy who came to check my aerial reckoned something must be blocking the signal - a house a couple of doors down works okay (I should mention that I used to get OnDigital fine before they introduced the digital text channels - everything went crap after that. I presume the introduction of digital teletext etc took up some bandwidth and my already weak signal just couldn't take it). I do use the RGB options in my current setup by the way.

    I am more or less decided on getting the Pioneer NS-DV55 Home Cinema gizmo. The only thing holding me back now is that the supplier I was gonna get it from (Techtronics) seems to have received some very bad comments on the message boards from unsatisfied customers (pity cos they are doing the Pioneer at a very reasonable price). I also can't decide if I want the multi-region & macrovision mod done to it (just in case they screw it up!).

    The other thing holding me back is that i just heard Sony are bringing out a new Home Cinema system next month and the piccie I seen of it looks damn hot!! I did have a link to some info on it - if anyone really wants to know meore let me know and I'll try to find the link again. It looks real sexy with the 4 small speakers as short silver poles on the stands (the stand columns are the same dimensions).

    Anyway, thanks again to you all

    Cheers
     
  11. MrBigAl

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    Oops silly me...

    The info about the new Sony Home Cinema system (the £799 DAV-S800 and £599 DAV-S500)is actually on this site on the "News Desk" page!! - the picture of the system looks so cool.... Of couse, it might sound crap - and it's more dosh than the Pioneer system but.... mmmm it looks gorgeous....

    I'm gonna drool for a while....
     
  12. PoochJD

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    Hi,

    Having used almost all Digital TV systems, I say go with Sky Digital, without a doubt!

    ITVDigital - has useless picture quality, even in the "full coverage areas", and has almost no channels to choose from.

    NTL Digital - for me, the picture quality was the main problem. If it wasn't a Terrestrial channel or Sky 1, then the picture was useless.

    SkyDigital - No, I don't work for them, but even on minority channels, the picture is always good, and the sound is nice. Great channel choice as well, and cheaper than NTL or ITVDigital. Also, we should have the ITV channels, (everyone shall get all the ITV regions available to them, regardless of the area they live in - nice one, Sky!!!), by the end of this year.

    Hope this helps.

    Pooch
     

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