Technics SU-R1000 Integrated Amplifier Review & Comments

larkone

Distinguished Member
With such a reliance on digital processing internally then why didn't they also include UPNP streaming or internet radio - seems a strange omission in this day and age.
 

Derek S-H

Distinguished Member
Are Technics and Panasonic related in any way?

I only ask as the remote control for this amp is practically identical to the remote control for my Panasonic CZ952 OLED TV!

The buttons have been reconfigured and relabelled, but it's the same accessory, which seems a bit cheeky for a near £7000 device.

Mind you, I think the Panasonic was £8000 in its day, amazingly, so not such a bad fit after all.
 

fordster

Active Member
Nice review as ever, thanks Ed. This is not my cup of tea, too expensive and I feel I would find it too languid. I also think it is ugly but I realise I have very different tastes to a lot of people. I’m really not into the retro look that is the current trend.
 

The Sound Counsel

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Thanks for the review, we have has one of these in the system at the office for a few months and its definitely a fantastic performer. Just interested if you set up the load adaptive phase calibration on it? I don't see it mentioned unless I missed it. It really is transformative to the sound of the amplifier and a very unique feature.

Dan

 

davejones2

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Interesting to see others point out that the remote is the same as the high-end Panasonic TV remote (mine from an AX902 / Dx902).

My first thought when I saw the price was a continuation of the concerns I've had about the re-introduction of the Technics brand.

Where does "Panasonic" end and "Technics" start? It's not as simple as Panasonic owning Technics and the brands remaining separate.

There are many clear examples of where Technics branded products are simply mildly re-hashed (or not) versions of Panasonic products. Noise-cancelling headphones; there are rebadged versions of the same product in different regions. The "Technics" C30/50 speaker range uses the appalling Panasonic all-series app and their sound quality is similarly awful, even with the fancy-sounding "jeno-engine" referenced above. The "Technics-tuned" soundbar on the Panasonic 2000 series sounds just as mediocre as any other Panasonic branded soundbar.

Turntables aside, the whole Technics brand seems to be little more than a marketing exercise for Panasonic in their lower end products. So at what price point does a genuine expert audio company actually get fully involved?

If I was going to blow 7 grand on an integrated amp I'd want to see some decent evidence that there actually is something behind the product (proper r&d, separate development & manufacturing processes / teams) rather than Panasonic simply having a bash at a "well made" integrated amp and adding another 5k to the price because it says Technics on the front.
 

Hoku

Active Member
Credit where it’s due: that was one of the best Hifi reviews I’ve read ever. Not because I’m interested in the amp as such - way over my budget, but it was worth reading just for the fun of it.

Ed is clearly cruising for a raise - and he gets my vote.
 

karlsushi

Active Member
It may well be my hi-fi snobbery, but I just can't take Technics seriously as an 'audiophile' brand.

I admit it's completely narrow-minded of me as I don't think I've heard anything from the company since my DJ-ing days in the 90’s (no doubt the 1210’s were the turntable of choice for many years), but when I think about the kind of kit available these days at (and well below) that price point, I can't imagine a unit like that ever being on my shortlist for a demo.

The 90’s still doesn't feel long enough ago to be warranted with the term 'retro' and I'm not sure how far in the future we will have to go for me to look at a design like that and think it has any amount of vintage cool. All I see is ’90’s budget electronics’.

Even if it was the best sounding amp ever made (which reading between the lines in Ed's review it doesn't seem like it is), I just couldn't bring myself to allowing it in my living room.

Each to their own, but not for me.
 

Joe Fernand

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'90's' - you'll have a to go back a bit further than that to go 'Retro' :)

Back in the 80's I sold kit from 'Matsush*ta' under the Panasonic, Technics and Sanyo brands.

There is plenty of 'High End' kit from Japan which never hits the shelves of the UK or Europe.

Joe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōnosuke_Matsush*ta
 

stblob

Well-known Member
Use to be Matsush*ta, Panasonic was the video division and Technics the audio division.
Now its Panasonic corporation, they own Technics and have revived the brand as high end audio.
I believe!

Edit: not sure why I have an asterisk instead of the i?
 

HeartSleeve

Well-known Member
I'm thinking perhaps a tad too Yamahaesque, much as I appreciate and respect that brand's quality and value, in terms of excitement.

The Technics is ugly too, in a medical equipment that scares the living sh*t out of you kinda way.

Good read though.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
What I see inside the amplifier dows not add up to that price tag. Two switch mode power supplies are fine of you are on a budget, but for HiFi, I prefer a clean transformer based PSU.
Similarly, Class D amplifiers, although very good these day, are also a cheaper alternative to class AB.

So for me the price is way off the mark, and the nice aluminium case and VU meters would not persuade me to part with my money.
 

jonasbaadsgaard

Active Member
Shouldnt the lack of streaming service support be considered a minus, considering the cheaper excellent competetion from Nad, Naim, Cambridge Audio and many others ? For this 6999 asking price I would expect a complete product
The Nad M33 also has a build quality that in my opinion exceeds this from Technics
 
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iFi audio

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'90's' - you'll have a to go back a bit further than that to go 'Retro' :)
Do you mean this particular case or generally - the audio world? I guess that for some people born in the 90s, this time might already be considered as the 'Retro' and now, the question remains - should it be? Is it already?
 

DT79

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Shouldnt the lack of streaming service support be considered a minus, considering the cheaper excellent competetion from Nad, Naim, Cambridge Audio and many others ? For this 6999 asking price I would expect a complete product
The Nad M33 also has a build quality that in my opinion exceeds this from Technics
It’s not an incomplete product, just a different one.
 

jonasbaadsgaard

Active Member
It’s not an incomplete product, just a different one.
For that price, 7000 quid, considering the really good competition that come with streaming services, I think its appropriate to expect a more complete product.
I am not talking about useless features, but even many high end users use Tidal, Roon, Quboz or similar services..
 

kinggo

Active Member
look at that from the other angle, what isn't there can't be shut down so your product is always complete.
 

DT79

Distinguished Member
Ahh yes. Less is more. I get it. Pay ablot more and get fewer features 😉
I took it to mean that a streaming module is the only part likely to become obsolete one day, therefore buying ‘just’ an integrated amplifier at least ensures it will as complete as it was ever intended to be for the entirety of its useful life.

Anyway, it’s an expensive amp for sure, but it’s perfectly legitimate for a manufacturer to design a (simple…plain…conventional - I’m not sure which word to use in this context but hopefully you take my point) integrated amp and it should be judged against similarly priced and spec‘d competition on that basis.
 

Mr_Movie_Dog

Standard Member
If you add a streaming module then you might as well add digital AM/FM module too which then would make this a receiver, not an Integrated amp. In this kind of a system your streaming function would come with the tuner you would add, as we did in the old days with this type of system.

It's nice to see Technics going back to amps again I really miss my 70's vintage 55w Integrated amp, that's when Quadraphonic's was big, which this almost looks identical too. I held on to it up until a couple of years ago since I had to replace all of the caps to make it functional again, I don't have the time to do so, what a shame really.

It's nice to see analog VU's I really miss those, LED bars just don't cut it for me.
 

Alex P79

Active Member
I like the look of this amplifier.

Ref value for money, I think for any one not interested in audio (and many who are) the idea of spending £7k on any piece of equipment (except perhaps some ultra-nice speakers) is crazy. Would Technics sell more units if it was priced £2k less - probably. On aesthetics/manufacturer ‘type’ the most obvious competitor is the Yamaha A-S3200 which costs £5k. For the extra £2k the Technics gains some clever tech, more power and a digital/DAC section. Which is the better option is down to the individual. On the other hand, is this model worth 3 times as much as the Technics Su-G700? Is the Yamaha A-S3200 worth 2.5 times as much as the A-S1200?

Far from lacking in tech, from the review, this model contains lots of well thought-out innovations designed to address possible issues and shortcomings in compatibility - it’s not just a box with off the shelf- amp modules. The phono-stage tech seems to work very well and, to me, the LAPC tech appears to be a very clever and well implemented method of matching amplifier and speaker load characteristics. The amplifier design itself is proprietary and all reviews suggest it is a very ’quiet’ amp with a very low noise floor. Then it has the ‘magic’ doubling of output from 8ohm to 4ohms which suggest strong current reserves.

As for the brand, I have never owned a Technics item but I respected their higher end models (with VU metres🙂) back in the 90s. However, for 3 years, whilst at university, I helped set-up and work on the 20,000 watt uni sound system for gigs etc. We had 4 Technics 1210s. They had a lot of use and took some hammering at the hand of many a DJ but they worked faultlessly. Where they the most revealing of turntables? No idea really but they belted out bass-lines and rhythms in a way that the professional Pioneer CD ‘turntables’ couldn’t match.
 

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