System upgrade...centre speaker first

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  1. David77

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    My set-up is: Toshiba SD-110E dvd player, Yamaha RX-V440RDS reciever, Tannoy FX 5.1 speaker package (front centre and 3 rears), Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 speakers (front L & R).

    I want to upgrade my system and have decided to change the front centre speaker first.
    I know you're supposed to have the front 3 speakers matched but I'm not too fussy, just want a good quality centre to better the Tannoy satellite that I'm using at the mo. I'm thinking of getting the wharfedale 9cc centre (just using blind logic there) but I'm open to other suggestions, not just about the centre but any other upgrades I should make coz I'm a novice to home cinema. Ta.
     
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    No the matching wharfedale is definitely the way to go

    Then you could move the 9.1's to rears and get 9.5's for the fronts, then I'd think about upgrading the amp.
     
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    I can't recommend the Q9C enough if you have space for it, but you'll want to be getting some kef fronts soon after :)
     
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    I think I'll probably just buy the first bargain I find on ebay...I've seen a Monitor Audio 10i, Monitor Audio Bronze and a B&W LCR60 S3, these seem to be good quality centres so if I can get one for less than a £100 then I'll buy one.

    Also what should the settings be on the centre speaker equaliser on my amp, it's got 5 different frequencies on it, I have the first one 100hz at its maximum level.
     
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    Just been on richer sounds website and they have KEF Q6c at £50 and Gale 3050c at £50...which one should I get?
     
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    The Kef is a far nicer speaker in my opinion, but it's not gonna go with your Wharfedales very well. If you could pickup matching Q fronts to match cheaply it wouldn't matter too much as you could move the Wharfedales to the rear, but the ones to go with it are £200 on Richers.

    Unfortunately you're looking at £150 for a center to match your Wharfedales.
     
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    Is the KEF Reference 100 centre any good coz I could get it for about £80?
    I'm also gonna get a pair of KEF 70s on the cheap for surrounds so I'll probably keep the Wharfedales at the front.
     
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    Oh and I nearly forgot, I'm gonna need a sub, not a clue what to get.
     
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    Look in the subwoofer section. Under £150 a small BK sub or Ruark (similar to MJA but cheaper), under £300 gets you a BK XLS200 or MS909. £400ish gets you a SVS PB10 or BK Monolith. There is also Velodyne, REL, MJA etc.
     
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    You've admitted that you are a home cinema novice and have asked for advice on your speaker upgrade which you have then studiously ignored so I doubt whether many people will waste their time answering questions about subwoofers for you to ignore again
     
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    I haven't ignored anything, I'm taking all advice on board.
     
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    Whatever you buy, make sure the centre and fronts match otherwise you may be wasting your money e.g. all Kef, or all Mission or whatever. There are some MA speakers in the classifieds here.
     
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    Ok thanks. I better just concentrate on getting matching fronts then for now, then get a sub after that. I think I'll ditch the Wharfedales I have and go with a different manufacturer, something better.
     
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    As Jammy said, try a Wharfdale centre- can you borrow a Wharfdale centre and see how it works with your current fronts? You may be better getting a sub + matching centre rather than a whole new system.

    Do you have a budget?
     
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    Oh, btw, I have a spare pair of Q85S at home if interested.
     
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    I don't have a budget but seeing as this is my first upgrade I don't want to go crazy.
    To be honest though the current system I have (which is my first) I've been generally impressed with, but I definetly want a bigger and better centre as that satellite just doesn't look right with the Wharfdales so looks like I should get a matching centre for them.
    Also with the system in general I'd like better bass and for the surrounds to envelop me more...for that I'm goin with the KEF 70s (I can get them second hand for about £80), hope that's a good choice coz I don't have much room for the rears.
     
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    If you want more bass you need a sub. If you're unsure get one of the cheaper BK's. If you can afford it try the Ruark 50 (£120 on fleabay) or XLS200. Without a sub the rears won't be as effective and the overall sound will be a lot weaker.
     
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    If it's worth it then I can afford more than £130 for a sub.
     
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    Like I said, get in touch if you want to pay a bit less than that for the same speaker.....
     
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    Arn't the 70s different from Q85s?, I know they cost alot more when they came out.
     
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    The Ruark Vita 50 is £119 on fleabay. There website is www.bkelec.com - the company are well liked on the forum (VFM).
     
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    Ok here's what I've finally decided to get to hopefully improve my system:

    Wharfedale 9cc centre = £100 (to match my Wharfedale 9.1s)
    KEF surrounds (2 pairs) = around £100 second hand
    BK XLS200-DF Subwoofer = £280

    I hope this will be a worthy upgrade.

    Thanks for all the advice.
     
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    Yeah, the 70s are older versions of the same design.
     
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    Me again.

    I was just wondering would the Wharfedale Diamond 8 centre match my 9.1s?
    I'd prefer to get the 8 instead of the 9 as I've read alot of good reviews about it, plus it's alot cheaper now too. Would it be worth getting?
     
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    There's one on the forum for £40

    HERE
     
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    Btw I've also realised from reading the forums that where my rear speakers are positioned (either side and just in front of my listening position) that bipoles would be best, so I'm not getting the KEFs anymore and will be getting the Eltax HT2 bipolars, I've read that these are good.
     
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    Don't know where to put this so I'll put it here on my thread.

    I want to bi-wire the front 3 speakers, I know how to do it on the speaker ends as they have 4 seperate connections but I'm not sure about the AV amp end...how does it work their as it doesn't have 4 connections for each channel, only 2?
     
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    Put both wires into the one terminal on the amp. e.g. the hi and low freq red (speaker end) wires both go into the same red terminal on your amp for that channel.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    depending on the thickness of speaker cable you've got, stuffing 2 ends into one binding post can be a real pain...I ended up getting some banana plugs fitted because it makes it a lot easier.

    Kind of goes without saying, but make sure you remove the brass plates on the back of the speakers if you're bi-wiring :p
     
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    Well they fit OK on my amp. How often do you remove the cables?;)
     

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