Syria, Obama says he's going in.

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  1. BB3Lions

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    Live on all news channels now.

    Basically he said that national security is at threat, that's his reasoning for the first strike.

    Give it a week & the missiles will be flying over.
     
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    So Obama will be taking action against Assad, which will perhaps aid the rebels.


    OH wait, Aren't the rebels mostly Al-Qaeda and this means that Merica will be for the first time actually supporting Al-Qaeda..........
     
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    You mean the USA is going to invade 'another' country? I am surprised???
     
  4. BB3Lions

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    Appears to be a little bit of cynicism? π

    Syria is moving the (Russian) scuds & armed forces to strategic points - including schools & hospitals.......... Hmmmm.

    Not our war, but NBC warfare is NOT something we should stand back & watch, but missiles at military sites OK but no boots on the ground.
     
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    since when did the usa become the worlds police force? just leave syria to it
     
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    Can't agree

    He's decided to leave it to Congress

    It's all off
     
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    I think you have to make the assumption that innocent people are in danger regardless of their political or religious alignment. I'm undecided on action myself but I do regard the use of nerve agents in a military conflict let alone against non-combatants to be a bit if a red flag as far as UN intervention goes.

    I admit to being uncomfortable about it being left to the US and French , we do have something of an allegiance to the states and I do think a measured military response should not be discounted given what has happened.
     
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    Terrible news reporting and terrible views by some people.
    Awaiting a vote from their congress.

    For those not wanting the war and think its wrong, go tell those innocent kids who have been killed or being killed.
    This is a civil war there is end to it. Civil wars can last far too long. This needs sorting. It's about peace. And for those saying why is having a war peaceful. Well there is a war regardless if we go there or the Americans. It just needs sorting so the innocents don't die.
     
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    Remember Iraq ? ;)

    I'll buy you a ticket if you want to go and sort it if you like , or would you feel more comfortable sending 1000's of our troops that you have no ties to , that you feel should put a stop to this.

    It's about time Great Britain started concentrating on it's own problems first before stepping in to sort others .. IMO :smashin:
     
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    I can't see this being resolved in any way other than the 'boots on the ground' scenario that everyone is claiming won't come to pass.
     
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    Yes I remember Iraq. Although unlike others I agree in peace and helping out where we can. Are you saying Iraq was a waste of time? Tell that to the family of the troops who died.
    How are the armed forces going to help out us back home? Police, Nurse, fire, fight crime of the streets?
    Our troops didn't have any ties in the war against Germany to begin with but we helped.
    You can see it as there problem or you can see if like there are innocent people being gassed together and need help
     
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    We will never sernd American or British troops, but we might send the Useless Nations in....

    How anyone can stand back & say not our problem should check the history files for Rwanda, Nazi Germany, Bosnia, Somalia....
     
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    lets just admit the whole area is a mess syria, egypt, iraq, afghanistan stear well clear
     
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    Whoever started the thread stick a poll on it asking if we should it shouldn't be in. Keep it anonymous. Could be interesting to see the casual vote
     
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    Maybe a mod can, I'm unable too as I'm on the rather limited app.?
     
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    There's no way anyone can go in without the results/proof from the inspectors.
    Russia are already wagging their finger and criticising anyone who makes threats of going in without solid reasoning. It would be a bad idea to annoy the Russians in all of this. It makes sense to do it by the book for once, it's surely a matter of time until the inspectors give the thumbs up.


    Edit: I can add a poll if you give me the question and options you want.
     
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    No one can forget the Lebanese Civil War and many other civil wars from recent history & stating some have terrible views is uncalled for IMO + lets not forget the chemical war used by Iraq against Iran (totally ignored)

    I see reports on Friday that stated rebels had released the chemicals by accident, although it appears most agencies ignored this and jumped straight to the story of the School + Children + Bombs + Jets + Phosphorus........But that deviates away from the real story, which is the massive arms deal between Assad & Russia.
     
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    what would going in acheive ? the west at war with muslims again
     
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    ICCZ: Poll Question
    Should we go into war with Syria
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    Whats Syria...

    Listen shoestring if you think our armed forces and the american armed forces have no Muslims in them then you are very much mistaken. This isnt a war on muslims or Islam its a war to protect the innocent. If we went on a war against Islam, you watch the brain dead idiots backing it in their droves even the ones that didnt back this.

    Please note i do not condone or want a war against a religion.
     
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    Yes but these unstable regimes represent a potentially massive security risk for countries beyond their borders.

    The humanitarian , cultural and economic consequences of allowing unstable states to perpetuate is historically a precursor to far more extensive and damaging conflicts in the future.

    Most people in the world are exactly the same regardless of race or religion. They want to be able to earn money to provide for themselves and family. They want to provide a better environment and smenities for their children. They want their children to gave better opportunities and prosperity.

    None of that can happen in a war zone. Normal people never want war and a regime that is content to chemically exterminate 1500 of its own men women and children is apt to get continually more barbaric and desperate.

    The response and lack of condemnation from Putin is nothing short of disgusting even if he insists on criticising a western military response.
     
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    Adding poll.
     
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    you my friend pose a good argument. Not sure how ANYONE from either side could argue with that. Its what i wanted to say, but struggled too
     
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    Please don't let the Mericans do the final count..................
     
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    Anyway the US and France has got it covered, when the Russians kick off you'll be glad we never went in :)
     
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    What is the best case scenario if the West goes in? Assad is taken down and what, the Muslim Brotherhood step in? Or we spend the next 10 years fighting rebels, further enraging extremists?

    Let the Saudis go in. They've got the money and tech.
     
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    It's easy to argue if you're Putin :D

    You've lost billions due to sanctions on Iran, then you lost even more because of contracts lost in Libya. Losing Syria as well would be another blow on the defence industry for Russia, not forgetting that Russia also have investments in Syria other than defence (infrastructure).

    Plus they've just spent a lot of money doing up their naval base in Syria, which is their only foot-in on the Mediterranean.

    This combined with the fact that the west are always jumping in on things that impact the Russians, but places like Bahrain and Uzbekistan get special treatment due to connections (US Navy and NATO, respectively).
    If nothing else Russia must be getting fed up with this, the west seemingly only doing stuff when it's not going to cause them any bother.
     
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    Thousands of people dying because of famine isn't being gassed to death.

    Now i understand your concerns, but i dont make people join the armed forces i dont even encourage it, but they do and they do it to protect and fight wars. Especially those that have gotten in since 82. anything after that hasnt been our wars. Its not new, its an eyes wide open.
    Before anyone says it no i dont want them to die. I feel that they made a decision to join the armed forces to make the difference, these innocent children being massacred didnt.


    The russians can kick off, but they wont fight us. The reason being is they dont want that scale war. They like to be a playground bully like China and Korea but they dont want a full mass war. Its not in their interests.


    I think it was proven today that they DID use chemical weapons. How would you like it if it was your children gassed by your neighbors and the police didnt help you because its not their issue, its an issue between you and your neighbor. Yes ive simplified it but its the same thing, we can't let innocent children die. I dont care if all the syrian men and women that want to join the Army or the regime or whatever else they have kill each other its the children born in a country of war with no help and no where to go. ITS NOT THE CHILDREN'S FAULT.
     
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    And the West does not act like a playground bully? One only has to look at a few recent (40 years) proxy wars to see that both sides act like that!
     
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    You make it sound like America cares more about annoying the Russians then they do about Syrian children... ;)
     

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