Switzerland, cake and eat it?

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  1. pragmatic

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    Now Switzerland has decided that freedom of movement is something it doesn't want (how ever narrow the vote was), we are hearing that they want their cake and eat it.

    Which cake does Canada have or is it a biscuit or other form of confectionary?

    Canada - Trade - European Commission

    Free trade agrement without freedom of movement.

    But they are just one ofcourse ...
    Free Trade Agreements - International affairs - Enterprise and Industry

    I look forward to may freedom of movement to South Korea, as it seems that one goes in hand with another.


    Or is it that Switzerland is going to be slapped down and unfairly punished, due to both the totalitarian nature of the EU and the fear that a free trade agreement the likes of which Korea, Mexico and Canada and to soon include the USA among other countries enjoy would lead the way for a UK withdrawal among others.

    For the EU those in the continent of Europe trade comes with political strings, outside not so much.


    Cake and eat it, I don't think so, although the EU may have said to youth unemployment "Let them eat cake", but I wasn't there to confirm.
     
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    Its all part of creeping global government controlled by crony capitalists/bankers. This is why Europe struck the Maastricht treaty. Its the end of free markets and the completion of corporate ownership. If you look up TPP, CETA and intellectual property you see that this makes the German invasion of Poland look like stealing sweets.

    Rothbard wrote about the beginning of all of this. He clearly saw the end game well before others even glimpsed it. This is an essay on NAFTA.

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    Luckily, when we had Mrs Thatcher as our leader, we did have our cake and eat it.
    She refused to even attend the Schengen meeting 1985.

    Many immigrants from outside Europe got a Schengen visa from one of the weaker countries and then moved to their country of choice. Except for the UK where passports and separate UK visas are still required to this day.
     
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    Read it for yourself. There is no point in my pointing out why the mistakes in both articles. Better that you read Rothbard your self and make your own mind up. Its important to understand that what libertarian/Austrian economists have written flies in the face of crony corporations and the state. It is openly anti both and therefore it will always have an enormous weight of opinion, experts, politicians etc busy trying to break it.

    You equate US with hegemony because you are thinking in terms of national identity. The chicken has already flown that particular coup. Soon the dollar will be over and the world bank will create a new currency. This was always the intention. Part of it was the creation of the euro. Think bigger, much bigger.
     
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    Come on Gaz, you know better than this. Switzerland remains a member of EFTA so no industrial tarriffs will come. (Frankly, tariffs are usually so low that this is not a question of cost but of the burden of national bureaucracy) They negotiated access to the single market theough EEA but rejected it in a referendum in 1992. Realising the cost to the Swiss economy they spent the following ten years negotiating a package to get a reasonably similar access. Both sides know this to be a package deal. Now the EU has quite reasonably asked the Swiss government what they intend to do, before taking any action.

    The Canada agreement on the other hand takes away tariffs for industrial goods but maintains the customs barriers, removes barriers in services and finance flows where agreed and tries to simplify economic relations. Comparatively it is a lightweight agreement.
     
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    How so, its a trade agreement, thats all the Swiss appear to want.
    There are plenty of veiled threats from the EU, saying that it was an all or nothing agreement, that includes the trade component. You raise a good question though, what can the EU actually do, if Switzerland is in the EFTA?

    This idea that freedom of movement is attached to freedom of services, goods and capital are ludicrous as demonstrably proven by existing EU agreement.

    The UK should be looking at a Canadian like relationship rather then a (the previous/existing) Swiss or Norwegen one.
     
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    One thing free trade doesn't require is a complex agreement. Free trade agreements are bunkum.
     

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