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Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by Dazed, Mar 12, 2003.

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  1. Dazed

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    Trawling a couple of the American forums it seems that SVS subs are very highly regarded over there, even more so than Velodyne which seem to rule the roost in this particular forum. If they're so good how is it that they don't seem to distribute any of their product to the UK/Europe?

    They look lovely too -

    http://www.svsubwoofers.com/
     
  2. uncle eric

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    They are very good subs and great value for money.
    A few of the guys on the forum do own SVS and are very happy.
     
  3. Spligsey

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    Isn't it about time we resurrect the old Velodyne V Paradigm V SVS V M&K V REL discussions again:blush:

    :D


    Bone Daddy has an SVS.

    Adzman
     
  4. Steve Bate

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    So do I :D

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  5. Spligsey

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    Yeah Steve, i knew there was someone else, but for the life of me i couldn't remember who it was:smashin:

    (Probably more now too)

    Adzman
     
  6. Steve Bate

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    The problem they face is they operate a "sell direct" model so do not use distributors. If you want to see/hear one it's down to you finding someone you know who's got one to show it you or it's a leap of faith. Many are not willing to "buy blind".

    When I looked at getting a new sub I'd set my heart on a Servo 15 (no UE Velo powerbuys then) but RS stopped importing them, to get anything like decent quality was going to be mega £ so I checked SVS out extensively and after numerous emails and conversations decided it was worth the risk, never looked back!!

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  7. Dazed

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    D'oh! :blush: the old sell direct model - no wonder they don't have any distributors - seems to be getting increasingly popular in the states.

    Seem incredibly good VFM - I notice they charge $150 to ship it to the UK and I suppose Her Maj's C&E rake their cut. Steve, if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay - good value? Did you go for a cylinder or a box?
     
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    I went for cylinder, they didn't do the box models at the time, mines a PCi 25-31 tuned to 22hz. I cant remeber exactly but all in including customs VAT etc it was about £500, I then got a Behringer Feeback Destroyer to tame the room (as per most of the US guys) and it's been awesome. Highly recommended.

    Steve
     
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    Its also worth having a look at the HSU Subs if you like the Tube Design. I believe they were the first company to use this design.

    Here is a link to one of their subs:

    http://store.yahoo.com/hsusubs/tn1225.html

    Like the sound of it: "LOUD & PROUD":laugh:
     
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    A (perhaps minor) issue with SVS subs is amplification. They are passive - you need an external amplifier - and while SVS do sell amps with them, these are models intended for the US market, i.e. a 110 Volt 60Hz mains supply. Sourcing your own amp of the same sort in this country is a) tricky and b) expensive.
     
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    Hi.

    Only some are passive. Steve Bate has a powered SVS as he stated above.

    In any case, it's not difficult to get quality low priced amplification over here.

    And for anyone interested, here's a review of said sub (including some distortion measurements).
    Review

    Cheers
    Boris
     
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    Great review - sounds like a bargain but cardboard????

     
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    You'd be amazed what properly treated and constructed cardboard can do. There's a building somewhere in Denmark (IIRC) that's made out of cardboard on an aluminum frame, and it's been standing for a few years now. So don't discount SVS on the grounds that it's a cardboard tube.
     
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    I suppose so - and a lot easier to fabricate into a tube than MDF.

    A shame for us and SVS that the direct sell model only really works domestically.
     
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    What SVS model can I get for ~£1500? (active)
     
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    Given a £1:$1 ratio you could (maybe) get one of these

    http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_csultra.htm


    The others are all cheaper or lots more expensive - not sure how voltage differences would mean to amplifier choice
     
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    MDF is illegal in the States. If you look at American AV forums and magazines you will see that there are quite a large number of American sub manufacturers over there that don't appear over here.

    Personal imports are not really to be recommended due to the hassle involved if things go wrong. You only have to read the various posts from Paradigm Servo owners to know that things can and do go wrong with subwoofers.
     
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    Why?
     
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    It is believed to cause cancer
     
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    Perhaps someone should tell Handy Andy :D.
     
  21. Ramius

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    Hi

    I'd also seriously consider a custom build from www.acoustic-visions.com

    Lots of choice, anything goes.
    From a simple vented Shiva to a twin Tumult PR.
    The quality of the woodworking and finishing is superb, highly recommended.


    This is how to work out the total cost of importing.

    Example item- SVS 20-39 PC Plus $825
    Shipping $150
    Total $975 or £625 using an exchange rate of 1.56
    Using the TARIC Home Page we can find the import duty for this item; 4.5%
    So, 4.5% of 625 = 28.2
    Total now £653.2
    Now the VAT @ 17.5%
    End total £767.5 and possibly a parcel clearance fee, £10???

    (I think this is right). :)

    MDF illegal in the US???????????

    Cheers
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    It's because the MDF dust is carcinogenic, give you lung cancer or summit if you inhale it.
     
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    Yeah, but you can buy it everywhere (or can't you?)

    Or is it an under the counter item? :D


    Cheers
    Boris
     
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    I think it might be something to do with the amount of formaldehyde in MDF
     
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    I've imported quite a few things from the US and had little or no problems with any of them, apart from my Holo3d card which Immersive swapped out at no cost and the replacement arrived with me 3 days later. Subs are a bit bigger, granted, however SVS are so customer focused if there was a problem I doubt you'd have any real dificulties in dealing with them. Only issue could be transportation costs, given the saving you're making it's not really major.

    Also I didn't have much choice.... UE's power buys hadn't started!!

    Steve
     
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    MDF dust is indeed considered carcinogenic. If you ever see anyone sawing or drilling MDF in a TV program they will be wearing a mask. If you sold it in America without a label on every piece stating "you must wear a mask while drilling or sawing this" then you would presumably be sued.
     
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    Most American DIY cylinder based subwoofers are created using a building consumable called sonotube, it is a compressed cardboard tube originaly used for tall concrete cylinders it is very stong so it is great for subwoofer enclosures.

    I have heard of many many people who use MDF across the pond, hell most sonotube subwoofers "sonosubs" use MDF as their end caps.

    I am pritty sure it is not illegal.
     
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    According to SVS themselves they use 'Specially laminated and extra thick MDF baffles''.

    'corse it might be like 'sidewalk' and 'aloooominum' and be something completely different :D

    Trouble is having looked I'm now *really* tempted by one of those 20-39 Pci beasties
     
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    Able to post at last:) I went for the SVS 20/39pc+ model - now this has onboard amplifcation of 525watts,and it`s multi voltage,just plug and play(just ask Ron when you order) - more than enough for even the most bass happy man,as Steve points out SVS are probably the most customer orientated company you will ever find,you have a problem - it`s sorted THAT day - any questions you have concering shipping/what sub`s right for you/what sort of performance to expect/what color to paint your shed - they e-mail you straight back,and hey they even know what colors best for your shed!!
    Seriously,I like Steve spent months trawling through the various companies who say theirs do this and that,auditioned nigh on every sub known,came across SVS - became tempted very quickly and a tad curious,took the plunge after a while for the new 20/39pc+ and have never regreted it one bit,to this day it amazes with depth/precision/and sheer quality of bass - it is THAT good :smashin: ordered on a monday and picked it up from my local airport on the thursday morning - stunning service - I can`t recommend them enough :clap: (your welcome for an audition if your close enough)
     
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    I am another HT newbie. The center piece of my HT is an SVS 20-39 PC+ tuned to 16 hz. It is just wonderful. But I have not compared it to other subs. I had a tiny squeeky kef sub before. I demoed the Q150, and some other lower range stuff. Have not heard anything approaching the PC+. I have had it since last October, and cannot be happier.

    I recommend the PC+. Excellent product and excellent support. Ron and Tom walked me through every bit of the setup and decision. They recommended the 25-30 PCi, but I opted for the PC+. I could not go for the lower one, my ego did not allow me to do it. I have not looked back since.

    One thing to note though, is that if like me you have not listened to real bass before, the sub will sound strange untill you get used to it (a couple of days). I was used to the bass boom from the kef and was prepared for this to disappear. It took a couple of days for me to appreciate what the SVS can do.

    Another pointer is the voltage. The voltage is not automatic. It is set at the factory, so you have to make sure that they know what is the voltage you require. In my country, Oman, we use 220 volts and I specifically asked about this. I asked Ron from SVS whether there is a switch on the back for voltage levels. He informed me that it is set at the factory. Right before shipping, I asked Erik to test the sub properly before sending it to me. I also enquired how he can do the testing since they have different voltage in the states. I was told that they have a circuit of 220 for non-us customers.

    I hope this helps.
     
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