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Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by nathan_silly, Sep 18, 2003.

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    Buy two!:D Seriously though, why not just buy a PC Plus and save yourself a pile of cash?
     
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    How large is your room and what levels do you normally listen at.
     
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    Haven't the space!

    Although I'll probably buy the sub & control box first- use a spare amp I've got lying around; and then later on look for a high powered monobloc/high powered 2 channel poweramp.

    I like the idea of a off-board amp. Unless the PC Ultra comes out soon, in which case I'll buy that model.

    Ian- this will be my last subwoofer (for at least 10+years) so I would rather spend quite a bit of money now... rather than getting a bargain subwoofer and wish I held out a bit longer.
     
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    Do you not think the Samson S1000 that SVS bundles with the CS-Ultra is good enough? I don't think you really need a very "hifi" amp for subwoofery - just needs to be powerful. :)

    That said, I'd be very curious to know how using a high-end hifi monobloc like the MF would compare sonically to the Samson PA amp......

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    I'm sure that Samson S1000 (or maybe the S1500) is brill; about £450 for the S1500- but worried about fan noise. The Crown K1 is about £1200, that has 2 channels.
     
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    I could be wrong but I thought the fans only kicked in when the going got particularly tough? I.e. when there's realy heavy-weight subwoofery going on (in other words - when you're least likely to notice them!)

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    Be careful...... see Bees post in amps...... for the job you are wanting to do, the MF may not have enough raw power.

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    Oh yeah forgot BK's new 600W monobloc amp module.

    Here's info on Samson S1500.
    http://www.proaudiosystems.co.uk/acatalog/All_Products___Samson_49.html

    Buns- I don't agree with BK's figures. I'm sure if most people are using cheap AV amps and normal sized rooms they can't be wrong. 99% of people listen way below reference anyway.

    I can't tell any difference from 100W & 200W poweramps. So why pay more?

    IMO Bryston poweramps are overpriced. I don't care if they have 20 years warranty. I would prefer if they had 2 years warranty and were £1000 cheaper.
     
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    If you have a Samson S1000 for comparison I can give you the answer!:)
     
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    BK's figures are averaged, you really wouldnt want him going into the full detail :D Unfortunately, like it or not, his average is on the kind side for low low frequencies..... so his words really need heeded for subs..... he may not be spot on, but he isnt a million miles away! You try arguing with his doctorate :p

    more to the point..... why worry about a hifi amp? We have been through the whole equalisation thing and we accept its use on lower frequencies because the distortion/noise/miscallaneous badness that is introduces with the likes of the BFD are relatively inaudible. So that instantly says that low end is less sensitive than the overall..... hence why bother with a hifi amp which quite literally is wasted!? A good solid powerful amp should be good enough..... even the most expensive subs i have ever seen dont go to the quality of a class A amp..... if they really were worthwhile in a sub, you can bet that some high end manufacturer would be doing it!!

    and wrt bryston..... without the 20 year warranty, people would still buy the amps at the same price because almost everyone thinks they are great..... if they were 1000 less then only a totally loonatic would buy anything else!!

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    Ok- been checking out the various amps- I'll probably go for the Samson S1500. Since it has higher power- I'll be driving it less hard (compared to the S700 or S1000) so the cooling fans probably won't kick in.

    And at £480 all in price for the S1500 much easier. Plus I can always add another CS Ultra. :)
     
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    Why not buy a Profunder 616 I think it's big enough that you could solve your space problems by living inside it.

    Just from ease of use I would go for a powered SVS and I would also assume that an integrated package has been designed to work optimally too.

    I can't remember how you run your system is the SVS taking all the bass or only LFE?
     
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    We accept?, I certainly don't! Maybe everybody else has got cloth ears!
     
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    What is the difference between a HiFi and a Pro amp?
     
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    A BFD definitely introduces noise...... anyone using one has accepted it or wouldnt be using it! :p :D
     
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    The choice of having an ultra clean signal from the sub to the amp/processor or using a BFD and introducing minor noise isn't a choice at all IMO so yeah I accept it.
     
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    I would agree totally..... in time i may get around to the BFD but im hopeful that before that happens, i will be able to get correction without the need for the additional conversions.

    Anyhow, thats not the point of the thread so please excuse my steering!

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  19. GaryG

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    Buns

    I owe you an appology!:eek: I un-reservedly grovel and beg forgiveness.:suicide: In my short scan earlier I misread your post, indeed I do accept equalisation and it's minor effect on the signal.

    Nathan

    Reading your post over the past couple of days has left me confused. Are you buying a CS-Ultra and Sampson amp in addition to bi-amping your centre and buying a new amplifier for the rear, or is the sub instead of the rear channel amp?

    BTW, if you want me to bring these amps round for you to have a listen to you need to let me know before Monday, so that I can stick them in the car.
     
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    Yes, buying a 2 channel poweramp and use that for the rears, allowing me to use the one I already have for the fronts.

    Then buy the S1000/S1500 and a CS-Ultra.

    Have you got Samson amps?
     
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    Sorry Nathan, looks like I'm confusing you now. I was referring to the offer to bring around a couple of amps for you to have a listen to for rear channel duty that we discussed in your other thread. I was just offering to give you a different perspective on amps as I've got some time on my hands during the week.
     
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    No offense Gary- but do you really think I'll let in a complete stranger into my house?

    A mate has a couple of spare Arcam amps, hopefully he'll let me borrow one. I've already got everything I need to wire them up- speaker cable and phono leads. Once I can afford to buy a poweramp it'll only take a minute to swop them out.
     
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    Ouch!
     
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    The Crown K1 is a truly stunning amplifier if used for bass duties. Iam using one to power my new subs. You can see them here

    http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=821

    I got mine from SVS direct, it ended up costing 920 gbp after shipping and duty. That is one serious bargain for an amp that outperforms my aging Krell on sub duty. Better still, it can be bridged for use with a single sub, putting out 800W in that mode into 8ohms;)
     

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