Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by erus1982, Feb 3, 2009.
Discuss. Does SVS PB13-Ultra worths the extra money? How's the SVS PC13-Ultra?
Nowt to discuss, imo. The box goes fractionally lower, but it's not noticable.
The tube is a lot cheaper to produce, which is why it's cheaper.
But many people hate it's looks.
If thats wat Badger says then I'd say, thats the end of that one.
There is also a suggestion that the tube is easier to integrate due to the port to woofer distance which may prove to be an advantage is some circumstances.
I have the B&W 610 subwoofer but I'm considering the SVS PC13-Ultra as an investment. Do you think will last me for 10 years or something? I watch movies, my room is not large atm as i'm living in a flat (6x4m) but I will probably move to a bigger place at some point.
Yeah you either love it or hate i guess?
Ah good point
I personally wouldn't buy a D/F for a bedroom or a suspended wooden floor though.
Perhaps there is stuff to discuss after all
Not sure what you mean as an investment
But, the driver seems super quality to me.
The problem is more likely to be in the amp.
That's the same with all subs though, I'd guess.
My room is 6 X 3M, so that's not going to be a problem (as in too small), and it will fill a larger room, no worries.
Looks don't bother me, so it doesn't matter. Sound per pound, all the way, imo
Isn't that what's being discussed a bit in another thread titled "sub for flat" where it seems that D/F doesn't really matter because "omnidirectional bass"?
Omnidirectional bass is generally correct, but how subs react with wooden floors is a different subject
I'm going to bed now, but will have a look at how that thread's going tomorrow
I think Badger was referring to suspended wooden floors, which can wobble a fair bit when the sub is being used at fairly loud volumes .. I don't really see it as much of an issue and any isolation platform will help in reducing the effect anyway
Any prospect of SVS producing some veneer wraped tubes? There are some lovely photos kicking around of previous tube subs in real wood veneer and they're stunning. This is at the moment the one big advantage of the PB. It looks nice and you can stick a large tree in a pot on top of it. (Which shakes in line with the bass!)
They used to be the top of the range passive subs but were discontinued some years ago. I think that the main problem with the veneered tubes was one of cost as they were disproportionately expensive
That's what I read. It's a pity as they're gorgeous in their own right. They were indeed passive. I remember reading the thread about them. Wonder if you could get a PCU stripped and veneered by a furnature restorer? Must look into it!
Register your interest..... (excluding wood veneer!!!!)
What amp problem?
Any issues with this sub? Does it break easily?
I think you might find why SVS stopped doing it
There is no problem with the sub, well none that I know of.
I was merely pointing out that if you are going to get a problem, the amp is usually the first thing to go, same as any brand of sub.
I don't doubt you're right!
Still, know a great restorer, and in a credit crunch, who knows, maybe for a couple of hundred quid he'd do it. It'd be the most stunning sub.
On another av forum (can't post a link to the forum or test data hosted on the forum as it's forbidden), they tested the PB13 Ultra and PC13 Ultra. The data shows the tube has a slightly higher peak SPL but the performance of both subs is (as expected) very close.
So my guess is that for money-performance better pick is the PC13ultra? If the tube and the cylinder are very close then i suppose i could pick the PC because it's lighter, easier to move and cheaper with cheaper shipping rates. What do you think ?
The box goes fractionally lower, the cylinder goes fractionally higher.
Either way there's nothing in it.
The cylinder is the one to go with, if you (or more likely the missus) can stand the way it looks, simple
In real world terms there is probably nothing in it. I went for the cylinder as it takes up far less space in my living room
On a SPL per £ invested then it's a no-brainer. The tube wins over the box. Although if your ultimate goal is maximum bang-per-£ invested, although it is not quite as loud or capable, the monolith would be the winner as it's so cheap, about on third the price of the SVS ultras.
Ahem, tube and cylinder?!?!
Seriously I think you're right, get the tube. My Mrs hates both the PB13U & PC13U but she hated the tube least, which was handy as it cost me less!
I'd go for the PB13 anyday. The tube is not that nice in comaprison to the lovely veneer Oak that I've got. It's usually mistaken for a coffee table actually. (Its next to one of the sofa chairs).
The PB13 Blends into the room better and is easier to integrate to residential decoration. However, if you have a dedicated cinema room, then the cylinder will not be a problem IMO.
Depending on how your room is laid out. In my room, the box would stick way out in to the room like a sore thumb, with the see through grill a give away to what it is.
I've had people come round to my house who haven't even noticed the PC tucked away in the corner..... although this is probably more down to them not having seen HD before and being fixated on the screen!!
I think every room is different and only the purchaser can decide what will integrate better with their decor.
I live in a flat, will such powerful subs be ok? I don't want to shake the room or the neighbours but i need to go deep. Can i have a good bass without raising the volume much?
With the quality that the new Ultra gives, good bass can be heard at all levels, and one thing I did find was that they were extremely good with music at lower levels and then at stupidly high levels too
for my choice, personally I would go for the PB13Ultra, just for the extra SPL/depth that it gives...
If you are not in ground floor flat, I'd really recommend PC Ultra. I know the pain (and AV Sales guys) of lifting the sub to first floor.
PB13 is fantastic in terms of performace & build quality, but I'd say VFM is PCU
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