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Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by Steve N, Oct 26, 2005.

  1. Steve N

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    I'm toying with the idea of buying one of these.
    Can anyone answer the following questions:-

    Is it true these are not available in this country
    If they are - where from
    If I buy/import from US - where from, how much, what (cheapest) way to ship
    If I buy one it will probably be covered to disguise as furniture but how much extra are the the wood finishes as I may consider paying more if I could match my Kefs and furniture (rosenut/mahogany)
     
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    Steve - as I understand it (happy to be corrected by others if I'm wrong :) ):

    1. You are correct, they are currently no longer available in this country - they used to be, but only by importing directly yourself from SVS. They have now stopped doing this, having appointed a new UK distributor, AV-Sales.

    2. They're not, as above. I don't know (maybe AV-Sales do) whether they will be in the future or not.

    3. As above, you cannot any more.

    4. The wood finishes add typically about £150 or so, but again, as you can't buy one it's not applicable. The other ones done in the UK are on the following thread:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248768

    Hope this helps, although I suppose in the main it doesn't :)

    p.s. absolutely awesome subwoofers (IMHO of course :smashin: ) - I have the PB12/Plus 2.
     
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    Not avilable in the UK now or even in the foreseable future, SVS won't sell you one direct either.Only option is buy Kinzas, he has one for sale on the forum.

    Other than that buy a used one from the US if you can find one on a US AV forum or ebay and ship it over here,you will then have to buy a bloody big transformer as it will only be a 120v model :)
     
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    Hi steve
    The sub kinza is selling (used to be mine)is as far as i know is the only maple ultra 2 in the country.I paid just under £1600 for the sub but if it is eventually sold by av sales will more than likely cost around 2k.
     
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    Just buy it, I know I would if I had a grand going spare :cool:
     
  6. Steve N

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    I offered a grand some time ago and had it rejected :)
     
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    Steve, if you can stretch....then do :) The Ultra/2 by all accounts is one of the best subwoofers out there. It will spit your REL out for breakfast. £1100-£1150 is a fair price imho.
     
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    Steve,

    My rosewood SVS is an excellent match with my rosenut Kefs.

    There's no way these PBs can melt into the background, they're just too big (and beautiful).

    Good luck,

    Derek
     
  9. Steve N

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    Thanks Derek, thats very interesting.
    Kinza' s sub is just too pricey for me and I was very impressed by Thunders SVS PB-12/Plus 2
    So I might be tempted to look again at a SVS PB-12/Plus 2
    There doesn't seem to be much difference in the spec and if I bought from new I could choose the wood finish and also have a full guarantee with a UK retailer not to mention the cost saving.
     
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    The PB12/Plus 2 in wood finish will be £1200 obviously new and in your choice of wood from AV sales .Kinza's Ultra would be in Maple only, still with a warranty dealt with by AV sales but just a few months shorter,If Kinza would sell his for £1200 I would go with his as the Ultra will be soooooooooo much better.

    Also bear in mind that AV sales PB12's will not be available for a few weeks, where you could be listening/feeling the Ultra this weekend :thumbsup:
     
  11. Steve N

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    Would it really be a significant improvement - the specs do not suggest a giant leap?
     
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    Specs arn't the full story the Ultra driver sounds better, have a dig around on avs website for further info.The difference is $800,for that you get the upgraded TV12 drivers and a larger amp.

    I haven't read a post from anyone who says the Plus driver is better than the Ultra,but I have seen many that say the Ultra is better than the Plus.I haven't heard an Ultra myself but I know that if both subs were going to cost the same or thereabouts I would not give it a second thought,Ultra for me.

    Aso bear in mind the Ultra weighs around 25kg more and considering the cabinets are the same size that means most of that extra weight is in the drivers.Thats why it's $800 more,have you seen the difference if not go here

    http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htst...=283704&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

    Now thats a Mother F***** driver(I put the stars in myself)
     
  13. Steve N

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    I agree entirely but have had an offer of £1150 rejected.
    And have subsequently withdrawn.
     
  14. Steve N

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    I have just finished a long conversation with those nice guys at AV-Sales.

    It seems they will be getting the Ultras in just as soon as they have been CE accredited.
    And, if previous experiences are anything to go by, they anticipate their price will be within two or three percent of the US price (to forum members) which is currently:
    $2399 (£1,343) in the wood finish
    $1999 (£1199) in the black metal

    They also informed me that the PB 12/PLUS 2 and the PB 12/Ultra are identical in all respects except for the drivers which , if you have the PB Plus 2, can easily be changed when the Ultra drivers are CE passed and are available.
    Interestingly, they also said if the Ultra2 is not used in a large room they can be very difficult to set up, and the Plus2 can be better in this situation.
     
  15. Mr Incredible

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    Bearing in mind the trade (PC-Ultra) and the cash (£380) which Gonzo got in exchange for it, I'm not convinced that £1,000 + my PB12 in exchange is a reasonable value to put on it. However, Kinza's the seller and he may value it as he likes. He has his opinion I have mine.

    But as a mod pointed out to me in a PM, it is not in the spirit of the forum to make a profit out of trading between forum members. Considering the Ultra was traded about 6 months ago, it is my opinion that it is somewhat unrealistic for the Ultra to be re-advertiised at a higher price (£1400) than Gonzo's original price of £1375 back in April.

    Sure it's supply and demand and everyone loves a bargain. Fair play to Kinza if he believes there is demand at that price entry for a 6 month sub old that cost Gonzo £1550 to buy. Applying the same ratio of £1550 / £1400 to my sub, it should have a re-sale value of £480! :eek:

    I'd estimate that I could still get £380 (excl del) for mine (which is the sum I paid just over a month ago) and is a fair reflection of the list price, age, warranty situation. If I applied the same ratios to the Ultra, it should, in my opinion, have a re-sale value of £1,100. So Steve's offer of £1,150 and Keith's estimate of £1200 and my trade/cash value of £380 + £750 (£1130) I think are a more realisitic value.

    But hey, that's my opinion, and I am not the one with a Maple Ultra to shift. I don't know about any of you guys, but I am not suprised that this is the only Maple Ultra unit in the country. I'd be suprised if there were many Maple SVS units period, let alone for the Ultra!
     
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    Steve your prices of £1343 & £1199 are way out, you are only taking the US price and allowing $150 for shipping.

    You are forgeting the VAT & Import tax which will add 23%, also shipping will probably add some as well + av sales profit.You point out AV Sales prices are 2 or 3% within US prices, Well a PB12 Ultra 2 was well over £1500 imported when you could buy them direct.

    I still think that the PB12 Ultra 2 will cost at least £1600 when(and this may be sometime yet)available from AV sales.It surprises me that av sales are bothering to CE certify a sub that they may only sell in very small quantities rather than certifying a couple of subs from the cylinder range that they would sell in much larger quantities.
     
  17. Mr Incredible

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    Interesting that a worldwide ebay search for "SVS subwoofer" including descriptions whetheer current or "completed", produces a very low and round number. 0 :eek:

    I find it hard to believe that nonone has ever sold a SVS on ebay! Curious.

    There was an SVS T-Shirt if any one is interested!
     
  18. Mr Incredible

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    Keith, perhaps Steve was referring to the PB-12/Ultra not Ultra/2?
     
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    By the way I take their point regarding setup,thats why gonzo swapped his PB12 Ultra with Kinzas PC Ultra in the first place.
     
  20. Steve N

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    I tend to agree with you (after reading your post in the Sales) which is why I set my limit as I did.
    The discussion I had earlier *today with AV-Sales leads me to think that in the not too distant future, they will be selling brand new Ultra 2's in choice of wood finishes, for less than Kinza's £1400 .

    *See my post #14
     
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    Malice,the way Steves post reads it says:

    "if previous experiences are anything to go by, they anticipate their price will be within two or three percent of the US price (to forum members) which is currently:
    $2399 (£1,343) in the wood finish
    $1999 (£1199) in the black metal"

    Those $ prices relate to prices SVS list for the Ultra on their website the PB12 plus 2 are $800 less.
     
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    Let me just clear things up here!
    I am not trying to "shift" a maple ultra as malice puts it.
    I am selling a pb ultra-2 for what i think is a reasonable price, obviously peoples opinions on pricing differs. Malice would have snatched my hand off if i had have accepted his offer of £750, even though he cant stand maple!! it would have probably been shoved in a corner with a blanket over it!!
    But this is a beautiful looking sub and needs to be seen as well as heard and felt.
    I really am not that fussed if the sub sells or not, We love it, it sounds absolutely fantastic and "in our opinion" looks stunning in maple.
    Steve n good luck with youre search for an svs, you were only a few quid off from svs heaven :D even though its maple! :rotfl:
    Kinza.
     
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    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
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    Yes, I found this curious as well. the only evidence I could find of SVS subs being trading on the used market was on this forum where several have been traded or offered for sale.
    Ebay can be a good guide for going rates etc.
    Perhaps Kinza could test the market on ebay with a safe reserve.
     
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    How close :)
     
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    Steve

    What you say below is utter tosh

    "The discussion I had earlier *today with AV-Sales leads me to think that in the not too distant future, they will be selling brand new Ultra 2's in choice of wood finishes, for less than Kinza's £1400".

    You seriously belive that AV sales are going to price the Ultra that sells for an $800 dollar premium over the Plus in the US, is going to sell it for less than £200 more than the plus over here. :suicide:
     
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    Not snatched, abided by the rules of the fourm! :smashin:

    Not quite a blanket, something prettier and lacier I think!! Either that or just wait until its dark before I go in the lounge!! :D
     
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    I am only repeating what I was told - I have no idea if it "tosh" or not.

    I was told that they have special prices for forum members and that their price of a PB12/Plus 2, to:-
    a forum member, brand new, in Wood finish of your choice, would be:-
    £1,199 Delivered. (non member) it is £1,335

    Their phone number is 0870 7740730
    I suggest that anyone who thinks I have dreamed this up ring them personally
     
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    Malice

    Regarding my point about buying from a US based forum or ebay I was really trying to be humerous.

    But seriously, most sales for SVS subs tend to be on av forums as the people who visit these sites tend to know of the brand where as on ebay joe public would not know them.

    I have seen a few svs on ebay uk, at least 2 cylinders and 1 box sub over the last 12 months.1 of the cylinders was from Germany.
     
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    Steve you are correct on your PB12/Plus 2 @£1199, its your price of less than £1400 for the Ultra I am questioning
     

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