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Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by tan1415, May 6, 2003.

  1. tan1415

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    With the Dollar so low...I was thinking of buying a subwoofer from the USA.

    Of course the name that came to mind was the SVS. With my budget I looked at the cheapest one they have on offer. The active 25-31 PCi.

    When I got the numbers from SVS...the numbers looked pretty daunting. Subwoofer + transport + importduty...YIKES.
    But when I calculated it the price came to €730,- about 487GBP!!!

    That's even cheaper than the REL Q150!?!


    Anyone has the SVS 25-31PCi or another SVS sub?
    How does it compare with the REL or the Velodyne?

    The reviews are pretty clear.Are these subs really that good?
    Is there better subwoofers under the 500GBP?
     
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    I upgraded to a PCi 25/31 (tuned to 22hz) from an M&K and the difference was dramatic, cant comment on the ST REL's but it would blow away all of their "mid-woofers" Wont compete with the HGS 18 but would say it's just below the HGS 15 in terms of pure performance, just remember it's big! Think 80% of dustbin size and you wont be a million miles out!!

    SVS are a dream to deal with, you wont be dissapointed.

    Steve
     
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    I use the CS-Plus 20 Hz with a Parasound HCA-1200II! You will NOT be disappointed. It's an amazing subwoofer, for the price only bettered by huge DIY designs.
     
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    I'm an ex-storm3 owner........ I never regretted going for 16-46PC+.

    It now sits there looking menacing as ever........ scary as it growls in a way the storm can never do.....
     
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    For AV use would the 20hz port tuned be a better model to go for?
     
  7. Ian J

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    As an impulse buyer and another Storm owner, I wish you would talk about something else
     
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    Got up on the wrong side of the bed today? :)

    Heh noticed my comments up reg. 20hz. I'm contradicting myself. Sort of sure 20hz is good for AV use, but some DVD's go lower than that.
     
  9. Ian J

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    The 20-39 is only $50 more :D
     
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    Ian,

    All I'll say is that your storm keeps two other members of your family happy by a) looking vaguely like a normal piece of furniture and b) not having any exposed soft bits that can be poked by curious fingers...

    :D

    Cheers,
    Liam
     
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    Bumping up this thread.

    The SVS is getting cheaper and cheaper all the time.
    Not sure if the GBP is benefitting from the strong Euro?!?

    The SVS is a great buy right now.
    But right now I have been offered the STorm III at a very nice price.

    So now I am choosing between the 25-31 PCI, the 20-39 PCi or the Storm III.
    Even secondhand the storm is still more exxpensive.Just a few quid though.

    Hopefully you can help me choose here. The PCi or the Storm..who's better? What's difference.
     
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    I just hope the conversion rates don't go to 1.8 otherwise it'll tempt me to buy one (CS-Ultra)

    For a large room , AV use- SVS.

    Smaller room for music- Rel. Performs well in AV for smaller room.

    Not much help I know, but until I buy a SVS and compare them this is just the general info I've collected.
     
  13. tan1415

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    And the difference PCi and a Storm III?
     
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    Actually what I should have said- High output, for large rooms- SVS.

    Lower output, for smaller rooms- either Storm or SVS.

    A couple of people have upgraded from Storm to a SVS, and reported that the SVS is a much better sub.

    However if you can buy a Storm for a really good price (~£350) then perhaps the Storm will be a safer purchase.. and you could always buy the SVS as well as AV sub (leaving the Storm as a music sub), or in another room/setup.
     
  15. Ian J

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    Uncle Eric is always singing the praises of "Secrets of Home Theater" as the reviewers to trust. They have reviewed the SVS 25-31 PCi here

    Uncle Eric also tells us that it is the amount of distortion that matters and the very well respected John E Johnson says "The 25-31 has less distortion than some subs costing several times its price. Frankly, it is almost beyond belief what this thing does for the price"

    Looks like a no brainer to me
     
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    So SVS it is?

    Nathan...my wallet and the house can't carry both of the big boys.
    Need to choose one of them.
    The price for the Storm III is 500 GBP, the SVS is a little cheaper.
     
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    I would go for the 20hz port tuned model (I've read a couple of owner comments that bought the 25hz, then later wished they bought the 20hz version)

    Although the 25hz model can be tuned to 20hz with the port bungs.. but I wonder if it's as good?

    I'll have to buy the SVS CS-Ultra in about 5-6 months.. :(
     
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    Yeah right now i am thinking about either the 25-31(tuned to 22hz) or the 20-39 PCi.

    According to SVS both can go down to 16 hz...but just not as loud as the 16-41.
    On the other hand the smaller 31 model produces more SPL.
     
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    Go for the 20Hz tuned one - SVS subs are renowned for their ability to put out INSANE SPLs (more than Velo HGS in most cases, though not as low distortion), so I think the minimal drop in absolute SPL output you get when you go for the lower-tuned one shouldn't be a problem. Go for it - you know you want to. :devil:

    Then you can let us all know how you got on. :)

    Cheers,

    Dunc
     
  20. Ian J

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    At well under half of the cost
     
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    Well I am looking at the PCi...not the PC+.
    I am just back from a listening session. The wood veneer has some damage on it, but I think the subwoofer is ok.
    Just 1 year old and still has garantee on it.
    Price has been lowered beacuse of the damage to 450 GBP.
    Light oak wood veneer.
    The price between the new SVS and the secondhand storm is about equal.

    Damn I am TORN.
    SVS or REL!!!
     
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    As it's such a bargain, get the REL, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Then you can hunt around for someone nearby who can give you a dem of an SVS, and you can decide for yourself whether it's better than the REL. Then you can flog the REL, probably not lose any money on it, and put it all towards an SVS! Best of both worlds. :)

    Dunc
     
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    I had a REL Storm once. It was replaced by a BagEnd Infrasub-18, which was much better. I am now using the SVS 20-39 CS Plus and it is better still (by a large marging). There is no way the Storm is better than an SVS. Only with a low crossover freq. for music use will the REL beat the SVS. In AV use, no competition.

    http://www.svsubwoofers.com/animation.htm :)
     
  24. Nic Rhodes

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    No brainer, just buy the SVS and be done with it. I have a REL Stentor here, several models up from a Storm (which I rate and used to own) but the SVS is high end at a low budget. It is miles better. Remember DISTORTION. I have bored everyone for years with it but it is true this is what makes the difference
     
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    Or (and obviously I say this only by way of an attempt to make myself feel better about having bought one myself) you could try a Paradigm Servo 15. I've no idea whether it's capable of matching up to SVS subs in the same price range, but I would think that it would give a REL Storm a good run for its money.
     
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    What do you mean with Distortion?
    Ian has mentioned that too.

    I am looking at the PCi...the SVS lowend sub. The Plus series is one step higher. Better amp and also better woofer I believe.
     
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    Distortion levels are what separates out the decent subs from the great ones like SVS, Servo 15, Velodynes. They are just in a different class.
     
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    NicolasB

    IMHO (having owned both) the Servo 15 is somewhat a better performer than the Rel Storm - by quite some real world margins.

    In the case of the Servo's and SVS's perhaps the main obstacle for some is simply that it/they cost a fraction of others (or indeed the kit that they will accompany)

    Steve.
     
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    >>>What do you mean with Distortion?
    Ian has mentioned that too.<<<

    Distortion, by nature, means any alteration of the input signal. There are actually many forms that can be discussed, THD,ID, voice coil compression, port compression, various dynamic compression circuits built into the unit, ect. The most commonly discussed is THD, Total Harmonic Distortion. THD manifests itself at multiples of the fundemental frequency. So if you have a subwoofer asked to reproduce a 20hz test tone, the harmonics will show up at 40,60,80,100,120hz, ect,ect. 40hz would be considered the 2nd harmonic in this case...60hz the third, 80hz the fourth and so on. Generally, even order (2nd, 4th, 6th, ect) harmonics don't sound nearly as *nasty* as odd order harmonics to the human ear. What constitutes *high* levels of THD is open for debate, but human hearing is rather insenstive to harmonic distortion in the lowest bass regions. At least one well respected scientist ( Tom Nousaine) considers 10% THD to be a reasonable limit to what we would tend to think of as *audible* distortion in subwoofers.

    >>>I am looking at the PCi...the SVS lowend sub. The Plus series is one step higher. Better amp and also better woofer I believe.<<<

    That is correct. Although the ISD driver used in the PCi series is pretty robust in its own right with almost an inch of clean suspension travel in each direction. There is a review of the 25-31PCi at the hometheaterhifi site that also contains a LOT of good THD measurements. Even if you stick with the REL or go with the servo15(which is a very good subwoofer btw and may be your best choice depending on what they are going for in your area)...I would take a glance at the 25-31PCi review to see the THD in graphic form. Sometimes a few pictures are worth many paragraphs of typing..:)

    Tom V.
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