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suspending a plasma on wire??

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by papachumba, Oct 5, 2003.

  1. papachumba

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    i have a perfect place for my plasma which could look really cool if set up correctly so i need your advice.

    This is in a loft that is being redecorated, i have a space just parallel to the stairs going down on the edge of the room where the rail will go (so as not to fall down the side onto the staircase)
    shown in the diagram below :smoke:
    edited: darn i should have just drawn this in photoshop, i just spent half an hour drawing little kyeyboard lines only to see everything mess up when i posted...:mad: i had to use '#'s and '@'s instead of spaces... hope it is clear enough...

    -----stairs-----------------|
    | | | | | | | |########|
    | | | | | | | |########|
    O---______---O <-rail##|
    ## plasma#########|
    ################|
    ################|
    #room############|
    ################|
    ################|
    ################|
    --------------------------------

    the two 'O's are poles (that might actually go all the way to the ceiling, and then making the rail using special wire in between them)

    now since this is the ideal location for the plasma meaning it can be seen from all corners of the room, my dad suggested suspending it on the same strong wire (2 wires obviously one on each end of the plasma) so it would actually just hang there in mid air. I think this setup would look blinding if done properly. also i started getting all sorts of ideas, ie. wire whose height can be adjusted so it could be brought down to floor level and up to standing level :D
    the wire could then be either fixed to the ceiling or maybe make use of the side poles (if they go to the ceilling). so from front it might look something like this:

    | |####<--3-4m-->#######| |
    | |\##################/##| |
    | | \wire###########wire/ ##| |
    | |# \###############/###| |
    | |## \-------------------/##| |
    | |###|@@@@@@@@@@|##| |
    | |###|@@@@@@@@@@|##| |
    | |###|@@@plasma@@@|###| |pole
    | |###|@@@@@@@@@@|##| |
    | |### ------------------|##| |
    | |----------------------------| |
    | ||||||||| railing||||||||||||||||| |
    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |
    | |||||||space for amps, etc|| |
    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |
    ------------------------------- floor level

    do you think this might work from the technical viewpoint and if there are any drawbacks? I know the wire must be strong obviously but what i dont know is how easy it is to attach the wire to the back of the plasma screen. Do i need to get the special bracket to go on the back, is there anything i can use to put the wire through that is already there without buying the bracket?

    plasma in question is a panny th-42pw6b
     
  2. Alan D

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    As regards adjusting it "up and down" on wires - the biggest problem would be the cables connected to it (Mains, Scart, component etc) - which would not take very well to being moved - and of course whatever they are attached to at the other end would need moving - it would be more trouble than it's worth.
    As regards the principle of hanging ot on wires - over to the rest of you guys...
     
  3. Tim_UK

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    I'm not familiar with your model but would be careful about what you attach to on back if not using the proper mounting - there will doubtless many places that appear suitable but may not be designed to take the weight.

    I have just got a philips 42" and you wouldn't believe how tricky it was for my dad and me to hook it onto it's mounting bracket - they are heavy.

    On the weight point, have you considered using a chain rather than wire - might not look quite as good but may hae other advantages - strength, won't stretch, easier to mount - a boating shop would probably have a good range of chain fittings etc.
     
  4. papachumba

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    im talking about this kind of wire, im sure you could hang 10 plasmas on just one strand of these!
    Also i would try and use the existing support holes (or whatever) the plasma has on the back to fix the wires onto. Surely this would be enough to make it safe!
    If there are more than 2 connection points at the back, obviously the best configuration of wires (or maybe some other materials too) connecting all of these holes would be in place, and then the main 2 would latch onto these...

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    Ehy papachumba I really like the wire's idea! I think it's ACE!

    Just wondering though where do you want to hang the wire on the plasma, well, _where_ and _how_ you'll do that ;)
    Hanging wires on your pillars seems fairly easy, then on the plasma side what do you do?

    I'd be more than careful on that...
     
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    You are either very brave, or very mad! :)

    I just hope you can afford to replace the plasma if it all comes tumbling down. If it does work be sure and let us all know and post some pics in the 'get your plasma's out' thread.

    Good luck:smashin:
     
  7. papachumba

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    mad would be a better definition me thinks! :zonked:

    i have since abandoned the idea of wires (even though i think this can work), and gone for a better alternative. Using 3 beams (either wood but preferably metal - nice brushed effect). see image.
    These babies can support a ton of weight if fixed wisely.

    All that needs to be done is secure the plasma's bracket to the beam, which should be very easy to do...(u can solder the bugger in place if you wanted to do so but there are alternatives - a metal plate with holes (imitating what would otherwise be a wall) to which the plasma bracket is secured.
    The metal plate is secured on a beam with easily constructed diy brackets, it could be even made so as to be able to rotate the plasma around the beam! something you definitely CANNOT do on a wall. hehehe the ideas just keep popping up...

    ill be posting the pics once its all done so sit tight
     

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    No way! Wires are a lot better :)
    Bring the wires on! ;)
     
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    Careful it doesnt shake and wobble, with every little vibration - You might get a bit sea-sick!
     
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    Wel, wothout wanting to upset anyone, I've read several threads about how to attach plasmas to walls, etc and I really do get the impression that there is a lot of paranoia out there. I can appreciate that you don't want your pride and joy to slide off the wall and reduce itself to kit form in the middle of the night, but the lengths some people have gone to are amazing.

    My 30kg screen is happily still sat on its £5 homemade bracket, secured to a breezeblock wall with normal number 12 screws in normal brown rawlplugs, and there is no reason on earth why hanging a plasma on wires shouldnt work, providing it is properly engineered.

    So here is my adaptation of Papachumba's idea. The plassy is mounted on a frame which has swivelling attachments for two loops of wire which form two trapezoids (there's a word you don't get to use often) over pulleys at each corner. There is a counterweight to stop the screen just dropping down, and a spring to keep the wire taut as the screen is moved up and down as the dimensions of the trapezoid (had to get it in again) change.

    My only reservation is the distance between the pillars and the screen, which would put the wires under a heavy load. The cable I think you would have to make some sort of a "feature" out of the cable management rather than trying to hide it...

    Just off the top of my head, anyway.
     

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    yep Darren you are absolutely right, it seems like there is a lot of paranoia regarding the fixing process.

    I think this has been drilled into the consumer with those outrageous mounting bracket prices which each manufacturer tries so hard to sell. After all these are just bits of metal with some holes in them (oh yeah dont forget the fancy rotating legs, pillars, etc, all nicely doubling or trebling the price!) There shouldn't be a reason for them to be so expensive. I admit, if I were to mount my plasma on the wall, id buy a bracket myself, why? well i can say that I am one paranoid git as well, and i just cant be bothered with doing a DIY jobbie, but i have a different sitation now and im sure with some clever thinking everything can be solved.

    hmmm those damn wires look good....
    this is what i had in mind, the plasma is virtualy "hanging" in mid air. - a very cool effect... simpler to do than darren's idea...
     

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    Using steel wires to suspend a display is fine though its nigh on impossible to simply have the panel 'hanging' as you can never get it perpendicular and it'll move around as your room heats up and cools down; you'll need to tether it top and bottom.

    Have to say the drainage down pipes look horrid and I wouldn't have a vertical pipe running through the centre line of the display - too distracting when viewing a movie.

    Why not go for a 'nautical' style fence rail around your stair well - set at about 1100mm. You can then mount your display straight to the rail (set the top of the display at about 1400mm) and have a 'mid' horizontal rail at about 700mm to mount your Left, Centre and Right speakers too; done in aluminium with Silver kit would look good and hollow rails can act as cable ways.

    Best regards

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    top and bottom solution was considered and a few others, but depending on the centre of gravity of the plasma even a top 2 wires solution can be thought of. Change the centre of gravity so as to allow the object to be positioned at the desired angle. Totally Vertical in this case, or even tilted forward if you chose to do so. There are various ways to accomplish this which im not going to dwelve into.
    Moving around as my room heats up and cools down? :laugh:
    Right, do a little experiment for me. Hang a 30kg object on a wire in your room. Now crank your heating up to the maximum so as to make a sudden change in temperature, grab a chair and watch your object move. Don't blow in it. You'll be sitting there a long time...:) Do you think changes in temperatures move (solid) objects? Does your chandelier move when you have 20 bulbs on it all emanating massive amounts of temperature?
    Not.
    Maybe im just ignorant towards physics, but my logical reasoning tells me this isnt so. Ahem... any physicysts around?

    They are specialised pipes to be used for interior decorating exactly for this purpose (not mounting a plasma but...) Smoked glass panels would be fixed to the lover part of the poles with special brackets designed for this purpose, the top part of the poles would accomodate shelves for books etc.
    Darn, you might be right about the distraction point. What could i do to limit this? Paint it white so as to blend in with the background wall?nooooo :confused: :(

    Im not sure what you mean by this, would you care to illustrate?
    The poles i was talking about are similar to what you are describing, they are hollow so as to be able to run cables through and i think they are in brushed metal effect. Got a wooden floor loft conversion and some other brushed metal details around so I think it might fit in quite nicely.:)
     
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    If you like the pole idea you can use a unicol pole mount they work. Wires would work i suggest you get a wall bracket and try it out thenif it work add the screen what sort of screen do you have in mind 37" 42" 50" 60" makes a big difference! also the 3 pole idea is a good one have a look at the commercial plasma mounts in shops and clubs etc as they are often quite cunnning unicol would be a good place to start as they have almost sown up the market in mounting systems!
     
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    You wait till the drafts up that stair well start to waft it around :)

    No chandeliers around here - certainly none of the suspended on wires type.

    Two wire solutions can be thought of - but getting them right is a right royal pain; and remember the rear of your display is going to be on show too so you dont want a Mechano set back there.

    'Flying' kit is a pain and as others have said invisible cables have still to be invented!

    Everything you require and more is available through shop fitters and the like - though you pay 'commercial' rates for pre made systems.

    Glass in fills between your uprights could open up opportunities - how about a perplex sheet with the required cables buried in it or you could use glass with frosted vinyl overlays; painted on the rear surface gives a nice translucent effect.

    Also think about lighting in your design - saw some nice fixings today at a mates new lighting showroom; one of the ranges he carries is http://www.tobias-grau.com/eng/index.htm

    Me and the Photoshop etch-a-sketch dont get on too well - I usually do basic scribble and then someone with some talent turns them into a decent design.

    Have fun.

    Joe
     

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