Surround sound system for my PS3

CH_Peter

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I have a PS3 and an Onkyo SR505 receiver, wired for 5.1 at the moment (7.1 coming soon!). I've done a search, but the answers go over my noob head. :suicide:

Picture goes from the PS3 to the TV over HDMI. Audio is presently via an optical cable to the receiver. The PS3 is set to Bitstream - I think this was the default and I never changed it.

My questions are, if I want 7.1, do I need to use HDMI for sound and picture to the receiver? Will I notice an improvement in sound quality if I do this and I use PCM? I can't seem to find a definitive - no, scratch that - comprehensible answer.

Thanks for any help.
Pete
 

Bald Monkey

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Can the 505 do HDMI audio?? I'm not sure it can TBH. :confused:

If it can accept LPCM via HDMI then that is the best bet for the PS3, connect it to the receiver usign HDMI and send both video and audio through it, then another HDMI lead from reciever to display.. Set your PS3 to PCM output not bitstream.

If the 505 can't do HDMI audio then optical is your best next method.
 

kingfats

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I have a PS3 and an Onkyo SR505 receiver, wired for 5.1 at the moment (7.1 coming soon!). I've done a search, but the answers go over my noob head. :suicide:

Picture goes from the PS3 to the TV over HDMI. Audio is presently via an optical cable to the receiver. The PS3 is set to Bitstream - I think this was the default and I never changed it.

My questions are, if I want 7.1, do I need to use HDMI for sound and picture to the receiver? Will I notice an improvement in sound quality if I do this and I use PCM? I can't seem to find a definitive - no, scratch that - comprehensible answer.

Thanks for any help.
Pete

Hi CH_Peter. :)
You will have to settle for 5.1 DD/DTS :smashin: as your amp cannot accept audio over HDMI.
So your set-up is correct.
All the best.
 

CH_Peter

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Thanks!
 

CH_Peter

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I need to resurrect this thread to understand better. I understand the receiver can't do audio over HDMI, so audio goes from PS3 to the Onkyo via toslink. However, I can't seem to find a definitive answer the this question: if the Bluray disc has uncompressed or a.n. other audio track (DD TrueHD, DTS MA) that the PS3 can decode (and the output is set to bitstream), will it go over the toslink cable in 7.1?

Hope I've made myself clear.

Thanks
Peter

EDIT: I had my rear speakers wired wrong on initial setup of the Onkyo (they were wired to the "side" speakers, instead of the rear), played BD Casino Royale and got sound out of the speakers. Re-wired properly, got sound out of them, too. That would indicate it is possible, right?
 

kingfats

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I need to resurrect this thread to understand better. I understand the receiver can't do audio over HDMI, so audio goes from PS3 to the Onkyo via toslink. However, I can't seem to find a definitive answer the this question: if the Bluray disc has uncompressed or a.n. other audio track (DD TrueHD, DTS MA) that the PS3 can decode (and the output is set to bitstream), will it go over the toslink cable in 7.1?

Hope I've made myself clear.

?

Hi CH_Peter. :)
Optical set to bitstream will be DD/DTS 5.1 :smashin: for TrueHD/DTS-MA and 2ch for the PCM track.
All the best.
 

CH_Peter

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Hi CH_Peter. :)
Optical set to bitstream will be DD/DTS 5.1 :smashin: for TrueHD/DTS-MA and 2ch for the PCM track.
All the best.

So I can set to PCM and get 7.1 over the toslink? I guess I'm being really stupid, but I'm a total idiot noob in this. I have only 5.1 speakers at the mo and don't want to buy two more speakers only for them to be redundant.
 

kingfats

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So I can set to PCM and get 7.1 over the toslink? I guess I'm being really stupid, but I'm a total idiot noob in this. I have only 5.1 speakers at the mo and don't want to buy two more speakers only for them to be redundant.

Hi mate. :)
If you set the PS3 to PCM (optical) the PCM track wil be 2ch and the DD/DTS will be decoded by the PS3 instead of them being sent bitstream. :)
To get HD audio from the PS3 it needs to be sent HDMI.
If using optical it would be best just to leave the PS3 set to Bitstream.
Ok?
 

CH_Peter

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Hi mate. :)
If you set the PS3 to PCM (optical) the PCM track wil be 2ch and the DD/DTS will be decoded by the PS3 instead of them being sent bitstream. :)
To get HD audio from the PS3 it needs to be sent HDMI.
If using optical it would be best just to leave the PS3 set to Bitstream.
Ok?

Have I understood? If the BD Disc has a uncomprssed track, TrueHD track or DTS-MA track there's no way for me to get it to be 7.1 via optical. This seems odd though. Why would the Onkyo have connections for 7.1 speakers if I can't get anything over optical to be 7.1? Or is it a limitation of the PS3 that's the problem.
 

davepuma

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Have I understood? If the BD Disc has a uncomprssed track, TrueHD track or DTS-MA track there's no way for me to get it to be 7.1 via optical. This seems odd though. Why would the Onkyo have connections for 7.1 speakers if I can't get anything over optical to be 7.1? Or is it a limitation of the PS3 that's the problem.

Does the Onkyo have 7.1 analogue inputs? As you've already found, the PS3 requirs an AV receiver that can accept LPCM over HDMI to receive HD audio. As it stands, you're stuck with DD5.1 and DTS and TBH, that's more than enough. There are next to naff all decent 7.1 tracks around and you would only really benefit if you had a big room and good speakers. Enjoy.
 

kingfats

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Have I understood? If the BD Disc has a uncomprssed track, TrueHD track or DTS-MA track there's no way for me to get it to be 7.1 via optical. This seems odd though. Why would the Onkyo have connections for 7.1 speakers if I can't get anything over optical to be 7.1? Or is it a limitation of the PS3 that's the problem.

Hi CH_Peter. :)
Optical does not have enough bandwidth to carry HD audio i'm afraid :( you have to use HDMI. :)
Cheers.
 

CH_Peter

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Thanks both.

I have quite a small living room and I am quite satisfied with the sound already. Adding another 2 speakers seemed like a nice, cheap way to get a bit more out the system. Perhaps a new receiver and speakers will be on the cards some other time!
 

CH_Peter

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It never stops,eh mate! :D
All the best.

Quite right, but the wife wasn't overly enamoured with the 42" plasma, so I'll let that memory fade a bit before braving the next upgrade!
 

Richard

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Hi,

Looking for a bit of advice here.

I use my PS3 as a blu ray player.

I've got a surround sound system (Panasonic SA-HT900) which is a bit dated now. Using this system I can't get any sound out of blu ray dvds with DTS HD sound.

I think this is because i have to send bi stream audio to it via an optical cable?

So, looking at upgrading my system so I can get 5.1 surround sound out of DTS HD blu ray discs. I think a proper DTS HD system is out of my price range at the moment.

Got about £400 to spend so I was looking at this

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProd...ageType=Main&category=HCS+Cinema+Surround+Kit

What do you guys think of the system?

Or can anybody suggest an alternative??

Thanks.
 

Bald Monkey

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IMO get a Onkyo 606 (£400) which will sound great with the PS3 decoding, but will also allow you to listen to the HD Bitstream decoded in the receiver if you get another BR player in the future that can ouput HD bitstream :smashin:

Or the model which has only just been replaced by the 606 the Onkyo 605 (under £300 from AVSales here...)

Which would leave you £100 to start saving towards a decent set of speakers to go with it..

I personally doubt you'd be able to take adavantage of the new HD sountracks on equipment costing less.. (ie. cheap products will make even DTS-HD MA sound terrible) So I think it's worth getting one item now and saving more for the rest of it. Or if you really only want to spend £400 total then get the best receiver / speaker pacakage you can and just ensure that the reciever can accept PCM audio via HDMI as not all can, some just act as only HDMI video switches.. then send PCM from you PS3 (which is what the PS3 decodes all sound formats to, including DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD) and you'll be getting the HD audio.

Not sure about that Sony system you linked to, but I expect there is a lot better for the same money, try the AV receivers forums etc.. As said to get the best out of the PS3, you need an amp that can process the PCM audio via HDMI, not just an optical connection or HDMI video switcher.
 

Richard

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Cheers monkey.

Would my old panasonic speakers work ok with this?

I'm not ever so technically minded so please bear with me mate.

If I got the amp you suggest I'd simply hook it up to the ps3 with an hdmi lead?

Then I just plug the speakers in the back of the amp & away I go?

Would I need a seperate sub woofer??

Thanks.
 

Bald Monkey

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Cheers monkey.

Would my old panasonic speakers work ok with this?

I'm not ever so technically minded so please bear with me mate.

If I got the amp you suggest I'd simply hook it up to the ps3 with an hdmi lead?

Then I just plug the speakers in the back of the amp & away I go?

Would I need a seperate sub woofer??

Thanks.


Not sure about your specific speakers, might be best to give AVSales a ring and ask, they are usually very helpfull and know a lot more about this stuff than me. :smashin:

Basically yes, HDMI lead from PS3 to receiver, another HDMI from Receiver to TV and your off. Not forgetting to plug in your speakers of course :D and other sources if you wish, such as Sky/cable STB or whatever..

I used a 5 speaker 'surround set-up' for a couple of years when I lived in a flat and it was fine.. however the .1 ,the subwoffer, is a big part of most decent 5.1 or 7.1 mixes and the difference it makes having a sub should not be underestimated... (particularly when using cheaper speakers) so IMO it's best to get a sub / full 5.1 set-up if you can... however if you can use your existing speakers for a few months, get the receiver now at such a good price, then get a full 5.1 package asap then you'll be making the most of your cash in terms of the BR audio IMO.. :D

Switching to seperates also mean you can upgrade / change parts of you set-up more easily rather than these one box solutions which normally require you to throw the whole lot away and replace every few years... ;) It's worth it in the long term :smashin:

Oh and welcome to the Forum ;) Ask in the right sub-forums about the speakers / Receivers etc.. and you'll get quicker and more knowledgable replies about the individual bits :D
 

Bald Monkey

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Richard

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Not sure about your specific speakers, might be best to give AVSales a ring and ask, they are usually very helpfull and know a lot more about this stuff than me. :smashin:

Basically yes, HDMI lead from PS3 to receiver, another HDMI from Receiver to TV and your off. Not forgetting to plug in your speakers of course :D and other sources if you wish, such as Sky/cable STB or whatever..

I used a 5 speaker 'surround set-up' for a couple of years when I lived in a flat and it was fine.. however the .1 ,the subwoffer, is a big part of most decent 5.1 or 7.1 mixes and the difference it makes having a sub should not be underestimated... (particularly when using cheaper speakers) so IMO it's best to get a sub / full 5.1 set-up if you can... however if you can use your existing speakers for a few months, get the receiver now at such a good price, then get a full 5.1 package asap then you'll be making the most of your cash in terms of the BR audio IMO.. :D

Switching to seperates also mean you can upgrade / change parts of you set-up more easily rather than these one box solutions which normally require you to throw the whole lot away and replace every few years... ;) It's worth it in the long term :smashin:

Oh and welcome to the Forum ;) Ask in the right sub-forums about the speakers / Receivers etc.. and you'll get quicker and more knowledgable replies about the individual bits :D


Cheers for this mate.

Sounds like this could get expensive............

If I did decide on the sony, what's your view on this system??
 

Bald Monkey

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Cheers for this mate.

Sounds like this could get expensive............

If I did decide on the sony, what's your view on this system??

:D It's very much a case of the more you spend the better you get, up to a point of course. ;) It may seem expensive, but then you are after cutting edge technology :D I wouldn't expect to get much of a car for £50 neither should you expect to get much in the way of stunning AV results from a £400 all in one box AV solution..

A reasonable amp/receiver such as the one I suggested, along with a reasonable speaker package may well cost more, but will yield better results IMO and will be far more simple to upgrade add to as your needs change and technology moves on.. You could always get a £80 5.1 speaker package from Richer Sounds at a push to get you up and running... but if you shop wisley you honestly will get better the more you spend and if you want to hear the current peak of Home Movie Audio such as Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA, you can't expect to do it justice with some of the simpliest kit you can buy..

I have no idea what that particular Sony kit is like.. but IMO speaking personally from using lots of Sony kit from PS3's to mobile phones and TV's, the Brand it's self IMO in general does produce some good quality kit the PS3 being a good example, and some pretty awfull crud... However as a brand I feel they also rely heavily on large marketing budgets to sell what is often equipment inferior to it's competitors at higher prices to those who are happy to think they are getting the best avaliable, when infact they are simply paying for expensive advertising.. When it comes to budget AV receivers and speakers, I'd certainly look elsewhere.. :smashin:
 

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