Because all I'm after is an AV amp I can have alongside my dedicated stereo setup to handle HD audio. In fact I'm trying to upgrade an old 3 channel Yamaha DSP-E800 that was designed to do just that but unfortunately it's not got any of the room EQ processing my new lounge needs (wooden floors and bare walls etc). What I resent is that the AV manufacturers seem to think that anyone that needs front left/right pre-outs is a high-end customer with much greater connectivity requirements than my own. As such they're forcing me to pay at least £600 for a seven channel amp (of which I'd only be using 3) with loads of networking options and bells/whistles I simply don't need. The alternative is to go for discontinued models that are either refurbs or second hand, or to bite the bullet and abandon my dedicated stereo set-up for music. Talk about Hobson's choice! A simple set of front pre-outs is hardly an expensive option to build in. There's my suggestion for next year's ranges. I suspect it's hardly going to be taken up.