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  1. raigraphixs

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    I love the ideai of superbit dvds, but wouldnt it be ever better, if they had a second extras disc?. Then come to think of it, why dont all companies do this as norm and have the highest quality film on one and extras on the second.





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  2. mjn

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    that would be too sensible....
     
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    Why on Earth would they do that when they can charge everyone once for the regular DVD, then once again for the special edition, then once again for the Superbit disc, then once again for the director's cut, then once again for the director's cut: special edition, then once again for director's cut superbit edition........
     
  4. Ron240

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    And also a way of trying to justify what would very likely be a higher price. Extras do have their place but are rarely watched more than once,unlike the film.I have found myself buying a particular DVD because of the amount of extras and then never getting round to watching any of them. This is only my personal opinion,but i am all for leaving the Superbit DVD's the way they are.What i do want though,is for them to greatly expand their range,because it is a bit limited at present.
     
  5. Ian J

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    I gave up watching the extras years ago as I thought that most were a waste of space. I am not that interested in deleted scenes on the basis that if they weren't good enough for the film, they aren't worth watching now.

    I also don't bother with the director's commentary as just because a director can make a good film doesn't necessarily mean that he can talk about it in an interesting manner.

    Secondly, I don't like seeing how the special effects have been achieved as it spoils the magic for me. A good example of both together is Paul Verhoeven commentating over Starship Troopers.

    If more commentaries were like Rodriguez on Desperado or Peterson on Das Boot then I might start watching them again.

    In an ideal world there would be a vanilla DVD, a superbit DVD and an extras DVD all available separately and at the same time so we could decide what we wanted and buy just that.

    Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world.
     
  6. alanrob

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    Ian J - you should give David Fincher's commentary tracks on Fight Club and Se7en a listen as they are very good.
    It's amazing how much information he gives across and in a very clear manner.

    His have to be the best commentary tracks I've listened to so far. Ridley Scott's one of Alien is also fab, but it's a bit less involving than Ficher's ones (guess because Ridley ain't the most charismatic character around).

    I agree about the limited viewing of extras, but there is so much info to be found and if your a fan of the movie in question then the more info you can gain the better.
     
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    The commentary on 'Ghostbusters' is as entertaining as the film itself. Same goes for the commentary on 'Out Of Sight'. Definetely my favourite kind of extra. Unfortunately not the kind that could really be put onto a superbit DVD.
     
  8. Rock Da Bass

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    Dumb question time: Do superbit DVDs work on a standard DVD player?

    RDB :confused:
     
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    Yup.
     
  10. Rock Da Bass

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    Thankyou. I'll have try one then!

    RDB :)
     
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    Columbia have announced The Superbit collection for release in the UK on April 1st.

    The first set of disks will include:

    "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon"
    "Vertical Limit"
    "Godzilla"
    "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
    "Desperado"
    "The Big Hit"
    "Gattaca"
     
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    If anyone is interested

    You can buy the Superbits directly from Columbia...


    http://www.cthe.co.uk/superbit


    Each title will be priced at £22.99 which includes postage & packing.

    Seems a bit expensive to me!!:mad:
     
  13. Jeff

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    Superbit PAL DVDs could be very interesting due to the extra resolution. I normally prefare R1 DVDs for picture quality because PAL DVDs often show too much compression artifacts.
     
  14. Kane D Williams

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    Just like to say that some extras and commentaries are excellent and do add "value" to a DVD. However, picture and sound quality should always take precedent and I think that 2 disc Superbit editions should be the norm!


    Ian J

    Incidentally, just because some of scenes have been cut or deleated, does not mean that they are crap and arn't worth seeing at all! They just weren't deemed right overall for the movie, for whatever reason by the editor or director etc. Some are highly entertaining and can give insights into the movie that may not have been apparent from the final cut. Take a look at High Fidelity (R1) or Pulp Fiction (Canadian R!).

    Cheers Kane

    PS I'm a film editor.
     
  15. uncle eric

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    Here are a couple more 'Superbit' dvd's.

    Moulin Rouge
    The Pledge

    Eric
     
  16. blackbull

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    Back to basics here. What exactly is a superbit DVD? Do they always come on 2 discs? and is this because they are single layer? what are the advantages and are these apparant on all players or simply on the more expensive ones?
     
  17. alanrob

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    Superbit disk are single disks that have better image and sound due to being less compressed. They are dual layer disks btw.

    There are no extras on the disk - just the movies and a DD and DTS soundtrack. Not even a fancy menu.

    Everyone should hear and see the difference with a superbit disk.
    Image is sharper and the sound is awesome compared to normal DVD's.

    Whether it's worth the price for a film you already have is up to you.
     
  18. Adam Barratt

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    SuperBit DVDs are made by Columbia TriStar, so only Columbia TriStar films receive the SuperBit treatment.

    Every SuperBit title has been a re-release of an existing release, but all have boosted video bit-rates (approximately twice that of original releases). This improves fine detail resolution and reduces compression artefacts, but these are subtle differences and many don't notice them.

    The video's higher bit-rate means less space for extras (although SuperBit discs don't actually use a higher video bit-rate than most recent feature-packed 'ordinary' discs such as Moulin Rouge or Jurassic Park 3). In my opinion this is as much sales tactic as actual restriction as no SuperBit titles have yet used the full data capacity of a disc.

    SuperBit DVDs' soundtracks are technically no better than oridinary discs', but do contain both Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS soundtracks. Neither use a higher bit-rate than is standard nowadays.

    Adam
     
  19. uncle eric

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    Not entirely true.
    Yes, only Columbia Tristar produces 'Superbit' entitled discs however, all is not what it seems regarding other pressings.

    Moulin Rouge R1 for instance uses at least the same bit rate on this transfer as any C.T superbit pressing.
    In fact, during much of the film the bit rate for M.R. actually exceeds 'Superbit' bit rates.
    Much is the same with 'The Pledge'.
    There are quite a few other titles such as these mentioned.

    Eric
     
  20. zcaps57

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    I agree with Eric.

    For instance, Dances with Wolves uses about the same bit rate as Superbit DVDs for picture, and uses full bit rate (1509 kbps) for DTS sound track. (most of normal DTS soundtracks use bit rate of 754 kbps.)
     
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    I agree with Eric.

    For instance, Dances with Wolves(R1, DTS version) uses about the same bit rate as Superbit DVDs for picture, and uses full bit rate (1509 kbps) for DTS sound track. (most of normal DTS soundtracks use bit rate of 754 kbps.)

    P.S. Damn double posts due to the lag. :(
    sorry folks.
     
  22. bxd

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    Eric,

    Are those cables 5 or 13 amp ?

    Brian.
     
  23. uncle eric

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    Brian,
    They were on the 'cheapie bench' at B&Q and were not labelled:D

    Best Wishes
    Eric
    (Looks like 3 amp though)
     
  24. Adam Barratt

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    Yes, that's correct, as I stated later in my post.... :p

    What I meant was that as a registered trademark, SuperBit belongs to Columbia TriStar, and therefore non Columbia TriStar titles cannot be referred to as 'SuperBit'.

    Adam
     
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    Right. :)

    But DVDs like Dances with Wolves (R1, DTS) can be referred to as "UltraBit". :p
     
  26. uncle eric

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    Sorry Adam, I misread your post.
    Eric, I believe Dances with Wolves to be amongst the first high bit rate pressings around. As you mentioned, great sound as well, due to full rate DTS.

    Best Wishes
    Eric
     

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