Sub Suggestion to replace Kef 400B

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  1. AidenL

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    Hi all,

    I have a Kef R400B sub at the mo, but reading around here, Im seeing its being suggested that its more suited for music rather than movies, which is 85% of what I use my AV setup for.

    My speakers are gloss black, I really don't fancy building a sub, so what would be my options for anywhere between £1k and £2k?

    I may be going for a power amp, probably an ATI, at 180wpc, so if thats relevant,might bear it in mind for the suggestions.

    Current setup as follows.......

    Anthem MRX 510
    KEF R700 Fronts,
    KEF R600c Centre,
    KEF E301 Rears,
    KEF R400B Sub


    Love to hear your suggestions.
     
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    You want a sub for movies and have £1k-2k to spend there are a few possibilities

    1 x KK 808 £1100 approx
    1 x USC15 £1400
    1 x SVS SB13U £1400
    1 x JL E-112 £1800 approx
    1 x USC18 £1895

    I have heard the JL E-112 and it has a very punch sound great for movies, not heard the SB13U but it gets good reviews as does the KK808.
     
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    If you want gloss black by the way only the SVS is available, the E112 can be gloss but extra cost. The USC are in vinyl wrap at those prices although they may do a gloss black but not sure of the price. The KK has a leather look to it's black finish.
     
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    you have a nice set up - i have the r500 / r200 / r800 and an anthem mrx500

    i went with the KK808 which has many satisfied owners - see the thread on here

    i can't comment on any of the others as i haven't heard them - i did hear the Kef sub when i demo'd my speakers, it was good but from memory i think the KK is far better (to be fair i didn't spend that long listening to the KEF)
     
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    (just realised i have the mrx300 - wishful thinking on my part)
     
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    Ok, I think i might need to bump the budget a bit......

    Considering the following - any thoughts, again, considering my current speakers......

    JL Fathom 112 Gloss Black
    JL Fathom 113 Gloss Black

    Paradigm Sub 1 Gloss Black
    Paradigm Sub 15 Gloss Black

    Any SVS Options worth considering??
     
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    SVS are a very different type of subwoofer in general to the others listed here. The SB13U is probably the closest thing SVS do to the JL's and Paradigm and by all accounts the JL is head and shoulders above the SVS, so on that basis I would say SVS arent comparable.

    One Sub1 owner has decided to go back to JL and is swapping it for the F112 if I recall correctly, but other than that I think Paradigm owners that have heard both generally consider the Sub1 to be better than a JL F113. Id personally guess that the Paradigm Sub1 is the best performer here, but it might also boil down to your own personal preference. If your based anywhere near Wakefield its easy to get a demo of the JL products from Ideal AV. There is a Paradigm dealer in the south that does home demos, or I am sure you could find an owner on here that would be happy to give you a demo.

    In short, at this level I dont think there is a definitive answer, and you really should be looking at getting a demo so you can choose for yourself.
     
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    Thanks all.

    I'm in Ireland,s o demo chances are few and far between - Luckily Rock Danger has kindly offered me a home demo in his house of his Sub1 which is dangerous, as I'll probably want one!

    If I could get a home demo in my own house, it would be nice to see what it would do in my room actually.
     
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    I've heard the sub1 and sub15 in different rooms and they have the same sound signature, since you have ARC and PBK for that matter the differences aren't going to be massive (unless you have the worst room in history) that's the very cool thing about Paradigm / Anthem over just about all others.

    At least you won't have to leave the country to hear one!
     
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    not sure about the cost of the Sub 15 but the Sub 1 is £5k in gloss

    the Fathom f112 & F113 are £2995 & £3695 respectively and will hold their own quite admirably I'd have thought

    a pair of gloss black Esub 12's would be £4098 and if you don't listen to these in action or any JL Audio sub for that matter you'll never know what your missing

    dual Esub 12's absolutely rock (sorry Ross lol) and if anything can beat this dual sub pairing then I'm very interested in hearing them
     
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    With a budget of upto 5k there is also the option of a pair of MK Sound X10 subwoofer, which are brand new top of the line subwoofers as well. That would be a combo worth putting up against anything else at the price point as well.
     
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    I'd agree, if I was going to buy 2 subs I'd be looking at 2x JLF113 and 2x KK1202 is it? Or a more modified 2xUSC 18. I'm only familiar with JL car audio. If I was in the market for a new single sub I'd be demoing the sub1 against the fathom f212.

    Or a sub2 and a Gotham - just as well a PJ and screen is taking priority right now.

    Honestly, I would be very surprised if 2 of anything sounded magnificently better than what I've got right now. It's even all over the room, the 55hz suckout isn't that bad and has been corrected and it's stupidly thunderous. The sub1 is a clever design with a shedload of R&D part funded by the Canadian govt.

    I watched a bit of Immortals, Pacific Rim, Saving Private Ryan, Thor 2, Elysium, Gladiator, Hellboy when doing a wee calibration the other day and at about 85dB peak average of the whole system it would kill ye!

    A small / medium rock concert is about 95dB at the desk for comparison. At that volume which would be about -5/0db on my amp your hearing would be very diminished as your ears go into to protection mode. So it's not all volume, it's dynamic range that's really key in a well matched system.

    The best sub on a crappy AVR is going to do it no favours, or a bad centre speaker.. fuggedaboutit you'll be beat before you start.
     
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    I'll certainly see if there is one in Ealing and if I ever wanted one you'd most certainly get a kick of the ball to price match / better, but it would have to absolutely lay waste to my sub 1 before I were to say 'shut up and take my money!' :)
     
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    you don`t have to go to London to listen to a good subwoofer ;)

    that's why people from London come here :D
     
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    I'll defo get a listen to JL in May when I'm over again. I heard a sub2 in London.. well, Surrey to be exact. There's lots of great stores tucked away in there, tho a lot of them are filled with 80's Hi-Fi nerds, who are frankly, exhausting.
     
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    Ok, Im narrowed down to three:

    • Sub 1
    • JL F113
    • USC 18 as an outsider - I haven't even seen a picture of this, and I may rule it out due to lack of gloss black - plus where does the separate amp live? It may not be living room friendly.
    Will order over the next week or so, just waiting for payday and a few other things to click into place for me......
     
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    You can get a USC in gloss or in anything if you like. The amp lives on top of it, or shoved behind it or in the AV rack /another room - it's not a pretty amp tho.

    The only JL that interests me, where I think it might be a step up is the F212.
     
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    Dan was saying a couple of days ago that gloss finishes on the USC should be along very soon if that makes a difference. The USC18 is basically a cube approx 52cm there is a pic somewhere will post it later if I can find it as I am going out now for a few hours.

    Any of the subs you have chosen should give you great bass, it may be though that one will work better in your room than teh others (like nuky has found).

    As to the amp for the USC yes it is separate so a place in your a/v rack should be ok if you have room, they are not huge and very light in weight.
     
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    As well as seasufer and xsnv (again, for clarity)
     
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    There is no doubt though, as a piece of furniture in a living room, the Sub 1 in gloss black is a class act.
     
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    "The Ultimate Subwoofers" | Page 42 | AVForums

    See post 1233 for a few pics of the USC18, just a black box essentially but can look ok as an end table with a doily and lamp to disguise.:D Will look better in a wood or gloss if you want a furniture grade sub.
     

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