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Sub from Santa

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by iaria, Nov 28, 2004.

  1. iaria

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    hi there
    as xmas is coming I thought that Santa (me) should get me a new sub but i have a choise of 3 and was wondering which one should get Santa(my) attention. The 3 subs are: Velodyne chtr10 or 12,svs pb10 or bk xls 200
    Your thoughts would be appreciated, as you know Santa is a busy person this time of the year :)

    Gerry
     
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    Difficult one, both the Velodynes and the SVS are a few rungs above the BK on paper, and if it was me, it would probably be a toss up between the PB10 and the CHT R12
     
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    thank you Kazman, price wise I think the velo it's a bit more pricey, I wonder if anyone thought of doing a test with the velo the svs and bk, and I am sure what sub will Ian suggests it probably starts with an S ends with an S and a V in the middle
     
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    I can also vouch for the pb10 as I have a ms 309 and have heard the xls200. I would love to hear the velo's though to see what the differences are between them and my pb10.
    I take it Santa has plenty of room in his sleigh as the pb10 is no small beastie:D
     
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    For the money though i would think the SVS has the edge, hell you could buy 2 for the same price as the Velodyne!!

    John
     
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    SubVersiveS :D
     
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    It's not quite that simple, ignoring price they're all very different subs in some important ways.

    I think most people would agree that your shortlist is exceptional. All those mentioned provide distortion free bass down to very low levels with plenty of authority. I also gather that they're nice and fast so no problems there, the BK certainly is :) Basically, you'd probably be happy with any of them at "normal" listening levels although the SVS and larger Velodyne's will probably have a slightly deeper extension.

    Which leads me on to what I'd consider the most important question when given that shortlist: What size are you after? The BK is "tiny" whilst the others are actually "quite big". Once you've made that choice then the answer should be nice and easy :)
     
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    Thank you eviljohn2, I just had a look at the BK website and since that you are online can you tell me what (Frequency Response at -6dB: 17Hz) means??
    Ta
    Gerry
     
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    Secrets of Home Theater are one of the most respected journals on the planet and they have tested both the Velodyne CHT-10R here and the SVS PB-10 here so why not have a read of both reviews and see what you think.

    Incidentally the Velodyne is tested under it's American product code but it's the same subwoofer.
     
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    iaria, any manufacturers quoted figures are often misleading particularly with subs. As with everything they're generally massaged to make them look good and competitive when it comes to frequency response (ie. how low the sub will go) and never give an indication of how much distortion they output at any level which is one of the most important factors when it comes to listening to subwoofers.

    In answer to your question, it's actually quite complicated so I'll cover each bit and then combine them. Imagine any subwoofer with a 100dB signal sent to it (dB are the unit used to express sound pressure).

    The 6dB quoted means that the signal doesn't vary beyond 6dB of the 100dB input signal. Some manufacturers use +/-3dB to indicate the same thing.

    The 17Hz bit is the frequency that is being measured (high frequency in the audio domain being treble down to the low frequency bass). Technically the human ear can generally only hear down to about 20Hz but the human body is quite capable of physically feeling the sound waves below this.

    What I think BK are saying is that their subwoofer will produce a palpable output (ie. 97dB measured) when a 17Hz frequency tone is fed into it. In reality I think this is being optimistic, even the bigger models will be at the edge of their limits here!

    Hope this helps but it all gets quite scientific. Easy once you get it but hard to put into words! The specifications you'd be better off looking at are the dimensions of the product IMHO.

    If you havn't already, you should read the reviews that Ian linked to and also the Budget Sub Test sticky at the top of this forum. Even if those subs don't interest you it'll help in getting to grips with the differences between them and what to consider in your own purchase. :)
     
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    Thank you Eviljohn2 as usual you give a good explanation, so really after all the BK sub is not that bad for the money
    Gerry
     
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    For the money, the BK is absolutely fantastic. For twice the amount it would be one of the best available for its size, if not outright depth. The SVS is in the same boat but doesn't have size on it's side although this means it will go deeper.

    Really, it depends what you want from a sub. Any of the 3 you suggested would be great but you really need to consider what size you're after as the difference is so big. You'd be happy with the sound from any of them but may be a little taken aback by something that comes up to your waist and needs hiding discreetly in a corner of the room! (The BK comes up to the top of my shin as a matter of interest).

    I wouldn't like to sway you in either direction, you'll notice that nobody has tried to sway you into not buying any of the models you mentioned because they're all excellent. You may also like to consider the Mordaunt Short MS309 which they're practically giving away at Peter Tyson at the moment although I think it's only available in the beech finish. :)

    Glad you like my answers :)
     
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    Thank you again Eviljohn2 I already have a Ms if you look at my signature which I hace been trying to find out how low it goes, I got it from Richer Sounds few years ago, and of course they recommended it, afaik it goes as low as 35hz and sometimes I wished it would go lower especially on big blockbuster like day after 2morro, the noise is there but not what I think it should be, it doesn't have the slam that I have heard somewhere else, hopefully the bk and others will have it

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    I'm not familiar with the MSW20 but after a quick bit of research it didn't compare very well to my old Paradigm PDR10. The subs you're considering are in an entirely different league and should provide everything you want :devil: Although the BK produces the deep notes happily, the design does limit the amount of physical "slam" that it will produce compared to the larger models where the term "trouser flapping bass" should really come into its own :)
     
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    The SVS and Velodyne are both 18" high and the BK is 11.6" high. If the difference between the top of your shin and your waist is only 6.4" you must be a hobbit
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

    John :)
     
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    Imposter! :devil:

    As the world's greatest expert on presents Santa would deliver the SVS. :D

    If he could get it down the chimney. :blush:

    Nimby ;)
     
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    Just as well.... I don't have a chimney
     
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    If the BK is 11.6" high, that will make my current sub huge, my Ms20 is 15" high by 17" long and wide
    Gerry
     
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    Yes he is (yes I am)

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    I will PM you my Christmas list then Santa. I look forward to receiving a nice new PB10 on Christmas day. Thanks
     
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    Sod the PB10, Santa, I want a Velodyne DD18 :devil: :D :cool:










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    Santa will only bring gifts to good children and I have been a good boy(so far)
     
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    I've been very good this year Santa can i have 2 subs pls and a Lexicon MC12B :D

    John :)
     
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    Santa says all your request will be there under the xmas tree on xmas day
    ho ho ho
     
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    Thank you Santa :D

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    Dream on John. :rotfl:

    Santa lives at the North Pole. Not Crawley! :blush:

    I said he was an imposter! :D

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    Shhhhhh Nimby don't tell everyone, hope the children can't read
     

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