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Std 42pd5200 IS HD compatible

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs Forum' started by esrg, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. esrg

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    Fear not all you Hitachi 5200 owners that thought your tele would not accept 720p50 or be sky HD compatible. :clap:

    I Have had this communication with hitachi today and they have informed that the std 5200 will be compatible with the new sky box AND WILL accept 720p50 over DVI.

    There's been lots of fuss over this so I hope this chap is worth his mettle.

    See below (but Start at the bottom of the email string to make sense of it)

    From: Hitachi@domgen.com [mailto:Hitachi@domgen.com]
    Sent: 21 September 2005 17:23
    To:
    Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: HDTV Ready #5408 #5408 #5410


    The DVI will accept all signals, the componet will accept all but 720p50hz, the new sky boxes will be able to output 1080i@50/60hz via componet so unit(s) will accept HDTV Signal
    21/09/2005 16:40 To: <Hitachi@domgen.com> cc: Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: HDTV Ready #5408 #5408




    I see, so will the STD 5200 model accept this signal over DVI only?

    If not please explain the configuration difference that the 5200H has
    over the Std model.

    i.e. firmware change / Hardware / board change.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hitachi@domgen.com [mailto:Hitachi@domgen.com]
    Sent: 21 September 2005 15:37
    To:
    Subject: Re: [BULK] RE: HDTV Ready #5408 #5408

    42PD5200H. Again we cannot call this set "HD Ready" but we are calling
    it HD Compatible. It can accept all signals via the DVI and all signals
    except 720p50 via component.

    We are not offering this as an upgrade.

    To:
    <Hitachi@domgen.com>

    cc:

    21/09/2005 14:22 Subject: [BULK] RE: HDTV
    Ready #5408


    Dear Sir/Madam


    With regards to your comments below; Hitachi ARE marketing a 5200-H
    model as HD ready. Please can you tell whether Hitachi is now in a
    position to provide a firmware upgrade to enable a STD 42PD5200 to
    include 720p50.


    "All 5200 series work like this:


    DVI, Component and RGBHV take the following HD signals:
    1080i50 1080i60, 720p60hz. (NOT 720p50hz, Sky proposed signal)


    This means they cannot now carry the 'HD ready' logo (industry wide
    logo) because they don't do 720p50"



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hitachi@domgen.com [mailto:Hitachi@domgen.com]
    Sent: 16 June 2005 10:22
    To:
    Subject: HDTV Ready #5408


    Dear Sir,


    Thank you for your email.


    Until Sky have totally committed to 720P50hz, no decision will be made
    by Hitachi Japan, as this is not a Hitachi UK decision, so at this time
    we are unable to advise as to whether a software upgrade will be
    produced or when any decision will be made.


    All 5200 series work like this:


    DVI, Component and RGBHV take the following HD signals:
    1080i50 1080i60, 720p60hz. (NOT 720p50hz, Sky proposed signal)


    This means they cannot now carry the 'HD ready' logo (industry wide
    logo) because they don't do 720p50.


    720p50 is a likely signal to be used for HDTV in Europe, but when the
    sets where designed there was not spec for High Definition in Europe,
    720p50 wasn't speced, so no manufacturer thought it was necessary.





    I apologise for any inconvenience or dissatisfaction this matter may
    have caused you but trust that the above information has helped to
    clarify the situation.


    Regards


    Consumer Affairs Team
    Hitachi (Europe) Ltd
    England, UK.


    Note: Please include any previous emails when replying to this message
    so that the thread of the conversation is preserved.



    Department: productInformation
    Product Type: Plasma TV
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    Comments: I bought a 42PD5200 6 months ago and have since found that the
    TV will not accept 720p/50hz (only 60hz). Only now retailers are selling
    a 42PD5200-H which is stated to offer this spec. Can you please tell me
    how to upgrade my TV is accept this signal.


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    END OF EMAIL
     
  2. RobbieTT

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    I'm no expert, but this e-mail chain is less than convincing. I would add one question and one point:

    Is the DVI HDCP compliant asthere is no mention of HDCP in the manual(otherwise no protected content from the HDMI socket on Sky HD)?

    Sky have stated that the early HD boxes will have component sockets. These will output at both 1080i for some programmes and 720p for others. It is up to the broadcaster, not the Sky Box, to what format comes out of the sockets. The mail from Hitachi seems to state that just because the Sky box can pump out 1080i that it will give you a picture over component - it will not, only some programmes will use 1080i. If the programme you want is in 720p then no picture for you.

    Hopefully someone more educated than me will be along to help, but I fear than Hitachi is trying a little too hard to call this an HD product. The HDCP issue would mean no Sky HD in the long term and the component issue would mean only some programmes would be available in the short term. If the menu system or settings happened to be in 720p then you would be well and truly stuffed from the outset.
     
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    esrg - Maybe I'm being thick - from that thread of emails, what would you say is the difference is between the standard and the H model?
     
  4. sony53

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    Dear Sir,

    Thank you for your email.

    HDTV broadcast services will start in Europe in 2006. This will deliver viewers the best picture quality ever seen in the history of broadcast television. HDTV refers to the highest-resolution format of digital broadcast TV. While there is still some discussion about what is true HDTV, it is generally accepted that 1,080-line interlaced (1080i) or 720-line progressive (720p) are HDTV. A TV that is described as 'HDTV-ready' is usually capable of properly displaying at least 1000-line interlaced or 720-line progressive.

    32/42PD5200. These sets cannot be called "HD Ready" because to do this you need to be able to accept and display 1080i 50/60 & 720p50/60 via DVI and Component. We can show 1080i 50/60 but only 720p60.

    42PD5200H. Again we cannot call this set "HD Ready" but we are calling it HD Compatible. It can accept all signals via the DVI and all signals except 720p50 via component.

    32/42PD7200 Fully Compliant with "HD Ready" specifications.

    The Good News:
    Sky have confirmed that the first HD boxes will allow you to select the output, so you can select 1080i (which we think is the best signal anyway) and connect via the Component input. This means that you can view ALL sky programmes including HD broadcasts. It may also work via the DVI socket but this is a bit more complicated and we will need to see a Sky box before we can confirm.

    I apologise for any inconvenience or dissatisfaction this matter may have caused you but trust that the above information has helped to clarify the situation.

    Regards

    Consumer Affairs Team
    Hitachi (Europe) Ltd
    England, UK.



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    Hitachi seem to have an inside line on this! Sky box to contain scaler! All for £399! Don't hold your breath guys... It will be down to broadcasters I'm afraid, the prototype boxes have no choice of outputs, but do have component sockets. The 'preferred format' is 720p@50Hz. This is the format with the widest support, hi def games consoles for Europe are also planned to be 720p.
     
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    :clap: :clap: Xbox 360 WILL support 1080(i) component. :clap: :clap:
    personally I'm not overly bothered about SKY but surely the fact that SKY are supporting the 1080i component tells us 5200 owners that if we want it we can get it.
     
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    PS3 was supposed to be 1080p native according to the Sony hype at E3, obviously the output signal must be selectable though due to the lack of screens supporting 1080p.

    I seem to remember reading, (in this months Home Cinema Choice I think) that the sky HD box will have selectable video ouput of 720p or 1080i.
     
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    ps3 have bluray. bluray runs in 1080p. and most likely the games will also feature an option for selecting 1080p.
     
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    Actually, I can see that being true.
    Forget the £399, think more about the £10 extra a month.
    The box is sold at a loss, they get their money back from the subs.
    OR, just because Decent scalers start at £700 (?) that price goes out the window with mass production, and drops to a more realistic £30 worth of electronics.
    Both total guesses, but you see what I'm getting at, I'm sure :smashin:
    Plus, looking at Sky feeds, who said anything about the inbuilt scaler being any good???
     
  11. BigC

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    esrg...I think the guy who sent you that email has got confused (and he WORKS for Hitachi!), based on that email there is no difference between the nonH and H model. We know this is not true.

    As Sony53 has quoted, only the H model will accept all signals over DVI...In my view only the H models with DVI connection will be able to view all proposed Sky-HD broadcasts. (assuming they run a mixture or formats which they more-than-likely will)


    C
     
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    You guys, I really don't like living up to my avatar, but your blind optimism forces me. I don't think your screens accept 1080p either, so Blu-ray/PS3 is speculative too. May well not work. BTW this is likely to be an issue for quite a lot of people, not just Hitachis.
     
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    Hi Maw,

    I've got a 5200H so you can see where I get the blind optimism from. That said so long as Hitachi and Sky are not telling porkys the H model 5200 will work on Sky-HD (all I care about at the moment).

    As for 1080p, as this is not in the EICTA minimum requirements for HD-ready display devices I should imagine there will be more than 'quite a lot' affected. And anyway, why do I need to care about 1080p with my 5200H? It’s debatable just how much better (if at all) 1080p would be on this Alis panel… As for Blu-ray/PS3, Sony has said PS3 will also support 1080i, so what’s the issue here?


    Cheers,

    C
     
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    No, or at least only very low priority issues for you BigC, it's the non'H' owners making the noises. I agree1080p is full of issues for many, and may not be the best for a Hitachi anyway, but if it's signal of choice for PS3 it's an issue that will rear it's ugly head. The real laugh is on the owners of Sony plasma, they've paid over the odds and it won't work for them either!!
     

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