Startup cost for film society?

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  1. PTO

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    My first post here so I hope it's in the right area of the forum!

    I work for a small council that is considering starting a film society for residents, and I have been asked to find out the approximate cost of purchasing the equipment.

    We would be showing films on DVD to audiences of up to 100 people (if we get enough interest!), so i guess we would need:
    • single chip DLP projector
    • DVD player
    • audio amplifier
    • Dolby 5.1 speaker susyem
    • folding screen
    Is there anyone here who has set up something similar and could give me a very rough idea of the total cost of buying the equipment new?

    I am aware that it can be borrowed from BFFS in the short term but I need to know what it would cost to own.

    Many thanks,

    Mike
     
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    Ball park.......between £1000 to £2000 all in for new gear.


    *edit* just to add you'll need to check out licensing issues for broadcasting to large groups, not sure whats required for that?
     
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  3. PTO

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    That's very helpful, thanks.

    I understand that the licence fee depends on whether the showing is to members only or the general public, but I can look into that.

    Mike
     
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    For a venue capable of seating 100 £1k-£2k will not really cut it in my view.

    Depending on what size screen you want will depend on the light output of the projector the output of the amp and size of speakers and lastly what audio and video quality you want to achieve.

    My ball park for a lower end but sufficient quality to output to a 10ft-12ft wide screen would be:

    Projector with 3k lumen minimum light output £2500+
    I personally would use a bluray player rather than dvd @ £100
    Amplifier £1000+ for an amplifier with sufficient power so that the speakers can be driven to a realistic level.
    5.0 speakers £1000 min
    Subwoofer £1000 min.
    Screen £1000 min

    These prices only reflect an entry level system for a room capable of delivering a quality image to 100 people.Of course you could buy some of these items second hand to save some money or you could spend what has been already suggested but in my view it would look and sound pretty poor in a large room seating 100 people.
     
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    Thank you. I guess I now have a range of costs to work with between £2k and £6.5k!

    Our hall can accommodate 100 people sitting but I have no idea how many would want to attend these showings.

    Was your projector cost based on LCD or DLP? Do you have a view on which is better for this sort of application? The BFFS suggests that DLP is more appropriate, but I've never seen one in operation.

    Mike
     
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    was in boston once, guy showed up right at Faneuil Hall and unloaded a petrol generator, a projector, a powered speaker like the one used by bands in a pub and a dvd player, played a movie against the side of a building, all outside in the open area in front of Faneuil hall and people passing by just stopped to watch. was very impressed at how simple an idea it was, and how much everyone enjoyed it

    slightly off topic, but just telling it to show if you get the mood/setting right, people won't focus much on how well/poor it looks/sounds.
     
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    One other point you stipulate a single chip DLP which if using in a room with 100 may be a problem as far as rainbows are concerned.I think with this many folks viewing a safer choice may be an LCD machine.
     
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    That's just the sort of advice I need! I'm aware of the rainbow effect through reading about the technology, but as I said above I've never seen one of these operating.

    Was your estimate of £2.5k for an LCD projector, or are they similarly priced?

    Mike
     
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    That £2.5k was a ballpark price and would cover either LCD/DLP I would suggest a call to projector point who are a projector specialist who also do large venue projectors they have a good reputation and their prices for projectors are very competitive.

    You may get away with spending a less than £2.5k depending on the size of screen required which will then determine what light output you need to give a bright enough image for the screen.

    What size is the room and have you thought about the screen size (width) you want.

    Professional projectors

    You will see some of their large venue projectors start at well under £1000 but these are more multimedia type pj's where you really want a widescreen projector which is more suitable for viewing movies.

    The screen could be pricey and will depend on how big you want to go.The screens linked below are foldaway screens but are all 4:3 format where you would be best with a 16:9 if you can get one as this is the standard for widescreen movies.It will give you an idea though on costs.

    http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/projector-screens/fastfold-projector-screen.html

    STUMPFL Mobile Frame Screens - Telescopes UK: Telescopes & Telescope Accessories in your only London shop
     
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    Our hall is approximately 10m x 6m.

    Not thought about screen size yet.

    As a local government organisation we can probably get a good discount on the equipment, so as a ballpark figure and based on your input I might suggest £5k and see if that is acceptable to the council.

    Many thanks for the links, which I will study.

    Have a good weekend.

    Mike
     
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    As the room is not huge I think with some discount £5k should be doable good luck with your bid.
     
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    I have been involved in setting a club up, I believe you still have to inform the licensing and it is usually cheaper as you say if you do not charge a fee per showing but ask for a donation! One of the funding streams we were looking at was to provide icecreams and popcorn at a price!!
     
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    Just been thinking about your room size and the amount of people to be seated.

    You say the room is 10mtrs long and assuming a screen size of 3m-4mtrs wide even if showing 1080p material you would not want anyone seating closer than 3-4mtrs from the screen.This will only leave 6-7 mtrs to seat your audience so that is not a lot of room for 100 people seated.

    If you were to use standard definition material (dvd) with a 3mtr wide screen the first row from the screen would need to be 5 mtrs minimum otherwise the image would look quite poor (soft).

    I think you need to consider how many rows and how many seats per row you can get in a space around 6mtrs long x 5mtrs wide max.I think you will struggle to get more than 50 in a room that size.

    If you have a full 10mtrs x 6mtrs allowing for the first row of seating to be 3-4 mtrs from the screen and allowing entrance/exit from the rows at both sides you may find 100 is ok.You point out the hall seats 100 now but if you are filling the space almost 100% just for talks and such you need to realise you need a fair bit of free space in front of the screen.
     
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    Audio wise, Do not under estimate what you will need for the system. A typical cinema system for 100 seats would be rated at somewhere around 1200 - 1500 Watts!

    I have built a number of community arts cinemas for festivals, audience sizes around 100 - 300. Just for comparison, below is my kit list:

    Screen: Screenworks 16:9 Fastfold screen on truss legs - £1500 or so +vat
    Projector: Eiki LX100 - 5000 Lumen XGA resolution projector - £2200 including 1.8-2.2 lens. This has a DVI input which is HDCP compliant, so connects directly to the switcher / scaler or Blu Ray.
    Switcher / scaler: Analog Way Pulse LE 200 - £5000+vat Probably not required in you situation, but it allowed us to connect a variety of sources and scale them to fit the screen in the correct ratios and also utilise the better scaling technology in the switcher instead of the projector.
    Very strong stand for the above - normally a small scaffold tower or stackable 2' square staging frames.

    Sources:
    Panasonic Blu Ray players x 2 (Back up and main)
    Sony Digital Beta player
    Sony HDCam player
    PC loaded with cinema player software for media files delivered by HDD
    3 off 23" HD monitors for preview, web browsing and watching something other than the Icelandic art house film currently showing...

    Audio:
    Marantz high end AV amp as 5:1 processor - outputs via analogue outputs to...
    Soundcraft Si16 digital mixer. used to further equalise and delay as required. Outputs via XLR to...
    Meyer UPA 1p x 6. 4 for L,R, C(2) plus 2 for surround
    Meyer USW 2x15" subs x 2.

    Now, scaling this back to what you need for your application, I assume you will be only playing current releases, so just a quick loading Blu-Ray player. I would also get a preview monitor so you can cue it up before starting the performance. The Eiki is a good projector, with plenty of power and very low noise. It is 3 LCD and has plenty of inputs, including DVI, VGA & component etc.

    Audio wise, have a look at some of the Sub / Sat combinations with built in amplification. HK Audio do a good range. They also do a range of powered speakers that would work as surround and centre speaker and don't break the bank. W-Audio do a cheaper range that also work well. The great thing with these systems is that they are simple to connect and fairly bomb proof as the amps will not overdrive the speakers due to "user error" A budget AV receiver with Pre-outs will process and decode the audio nicely.
     
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    Also if money is tight you could start with just good pair of stereo speakers with enough power to fill your space and add surround stuff later if you think it's worth it.
     
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    Thank you all for your helpful replies. I've obviously come to the right place for advice :thumbsup:

    Mike
     

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