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  1. blue max

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    So, dropped out of interest in hifi for a while, but tempted to get back into it.

    Bought myself a Teufel One M
    Teufel One M : Buy online at Teufel

    But found the bass far too forward and honestly, the price was too much in my opinion. It did seem to stream all the formats though, so points for that.

    It did give me a taste of decent sound and I'm keen to get a modest system again.

    I've picked up a Yamaha WXC-50 and a pair of very old powered speakers and liked what I heard.

    Very tempted by the Dynaudio Xeo 6's. Not cheap and flawed by low bitrate connections, but maybe all I really need?

    Or the Xeo 4's, but I would need stands.

    The Xeo range has been updated and answers most of the issues. But is more or less list price and certainly an extravagant purchase.

    The Focus XD's seem twice as expensive.

    Looking for any thoughts before I make an expensive mistake! Know you guys will have a view. Cheers. Graham
     
  2. BlueWizard

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    Anytime a system is completely contained on one box it is compromised in some way. Because the device is so small, the probably had to amp up the bass to make up for the small drivers.

    I heard the XEO bookshelf speakers and the Sound Stage was HUGE. Good clarity, a noticeable bass. The bass might have been a bit much, but they still sounded very good.

    Dynaudio Xeo - Using a computer as audio...


    Even with Active Speakers, better to buy components.

    Unless you specifically need USB-PC Connection then I would be inclined to simply add good Studio Monitors to the Wharfedale WXC-50.

    WXC-50 - Overview - Wireless Streaming Amplifiers - Audio & Visual - Products - Yamaha - UK and Ireland

    There are many Studio Monitor to choose from in all sizes from 4" up to 10" - Mackie, KRK, Genelec, Focal, JBL, Adam, and yes even Dynaudio.

    LYD 7 - Professional reference monitor with 7'' woofer - Dynaudio

    It is just a matter of determining how much money you want to pay.

    The Dynaudio Xeo 6 are about £1800 to £2000/pr, that implies you could spend some serious coin on Studio Monitors.

    Dynaudio XEO 6 Wireless Speakers | Dynaudio | Audio T

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynaudio-Xeo-Wireless-Loudspeaker-Transmitter-black/dp/B00L4BUTGO

    Dynaudio XEO 6 Black Satin High-End Active Floorstanding Speakers (Pair) buy online in UK.| Hifonix

    However, Studio Monitors, while stunning at that price, are going to be Bookshelf and Wired.

    Worth noting that the new XEO-30 Floorstanding is about £3200/pr -

    http://www.bartlettshifi.com/product/dynaudio-xeo-30-wireless-active-speakers/

    I think the XEO 6 had an original price of £2600/pr, making the current £1750/pr something of a bargain.

    I suspect you could use the Yamaha WCX-50 to drive the Transmitter Box, and use that with the XEO 6 speakers. I would expect that to sound good, but it is up to you to listen to the speakers and see if they do what you need done. Overall though a pretty impressive speaker.

    The XEO have the advantage of being wireless. That is sound is transmitted wirelessly from the Transmitter Box at the source to the Speakers. But ...just my opinion... if you can avoid wireless speaker connection, I would. However if it is demanded by your circumstances, then this might be a good option.

    Active floorstanding speakers - Xeo 6 wireless speakers - Dynaudio

    Active floorstanding speakers - Xeo 30 wireless speakers - Dynaudio

    There is always going to be a slight downside to Wireless Speakers. You have to decide if that is a compromise you are willing to make.

    There are other large Active Speakers, but they are Wired -

    DALI Zensor 5 AX Light Walnut Active Floorstanding Speakers (Pair) - Floorstanding Speakers - AudioVisual Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    DALI Zensor 5 AX Black Ash Active Floorstanding Speakers (Pair) - Floorstanding Speakers - AudioVisual Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Wharfedale Diamond A2 Black Active Floorstanding Speakers (Pair) - Floorstanding Speakers - AudioVisual Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk...6-c-black-active-floorstanding-speakers-pair/

    If you don't need intense bass, then many Studio Monitors with 6.5" or 8" bass drivers can sound excellent.

    To some extent it depends on what your source of sound is - Computer, CD, Turntable, Network Player, TV, other. If a computer, then the Yamaha WXC-50 seems to solve that problem, simply Stream Audio.

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...Mackie-HR824-MK-II-Studio-Monitors_260930.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...o-Monitors/ADAM-S2X-Studio-Monitor_485360.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...040BWM-Active-Studio-Monitor-White_435095.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...enelec-8040B-Active-Studio-Monitor_435090.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...enelec-8040B-Active-Studio-Monitor_435090.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...o-Monitors/Adam-A8X-Studio-Monitor_485300.htm

    https://www.studiospares.com/Headph...cal-Shape-65-Studio-Monitor-single_413420.htm

    There may be more cosmetic appeal to the XEO though.

    The XEO are wireless NOT in the Network Wireless sense, they have simply eliminated the Speaker Wires.

    Just a few thoughts.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Thanks for the comprehensive reply Steve.

    I'm happy with the Yamaha WXC-50 for my streaming duties as it does Apple airplay. It might be redundant with the Dynaudio Connect box though, but I'd have to see about that.

    I was looking at the floorstanding models as I prefer the aesthetic, plus they have a fuller sound. I'd only really consider the stand mounters if I wanted to save some money. But you do have to allow for decent stands too, so that eats into the cash saving.

    The Dynaudio Xeo 4 and 6 models are slightly limited technologically and have been replaced by the Xeo 20 and 30, but at the original prices. There is also Focus XD at twice the price.

    Anyway, the 6 seems a relatively affordable model when you consider there are no amps to purchase.

    Those studio models are really designed to be near field monitors, if that makes a difference. And as you suggest, not the most beautiful aesthetics.

    Good that you rated the soundstage on the bookshelf models. I imagine the floorstanders will be at least as good. Would love to hear anyone with experience as it's not easy to find anyone with any in stock to demonstrate near me.
     
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    Whatever the theory about designing speakers for near-field listening (if there is any theory?), there are now too many of us enjoying our near-field studio monitors at typical hifi listening distances (2 to 3m) for it to be an issue. And your Yamaha WXC-50 is crying out to be connected to one!

    Can't say I've listened to the Dynaudios but I've found that a smaller front baffle tends to favour a precise and solid sound stage - generally speaking because there are so many other factors involved. I'd expect a larger speaker to have a better sense of scale though.

    Do you really need wireless speakers?
     
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    Need? Who needs this stuff!!! But yes, it would be nice :)

    Am attracted by the idea of high quality sound without dedicating my life to it. Don't really want endless tweaking or research any more. Guess it isn't a 'hobby' these days.

    A smaller front baffle? You mean stand mounts?
     
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    I would not worry to much about bit rates etc as most music is not really available yet at the numbers modern ewuequipm can support, plus most people find the bit rate of cd quite enough.
     
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    Sure. I know it's probably fine, but it really is enough to make people think twice and that can effect value. And there's nothing older than old tech!
     
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    I looked at specs and the digital side is maxed out pretty low by modern standards alright.

    If you are happy with Yamaha there are some active options. A good set of stands and speakers can be every bit as good as floorstsnders if you choose correct setup
     
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    I suspect you'd be sacrificing audio quality for "nice-to-have". Wireless speakers may well sound superb but at what cost? An equivalent quality, non-wireless speaker would be quite a bit cheaper. Or look at it another way - spend the same on a quality active studio monitor as you intend on a wireless speaker pair and, IMO, you'll get considerably better sound quality with the studio monitor. For instance, a pair of Event Opal + stands cost only slightly more than the Xeo 6 (though there may be offers I haven't seen).

    I would expect the Opals and the Xeo6 to be a good size match for a 25 - 30 sq.m room although the Opals would also fill larger spaces too. The Xeos would likely be OK down to about 20 sq.m, at a guess.
     
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    These tend to have XLR connectors don't they? My Yamaha streamer would be no good for them.

    I presume I'd have to get something like an
    Audiolab M-DAC PLUS
    Audiolab DAC

    So, I'm spending more already!

    I'm not particularly wedded to the wireless thing. In fact, not at all. But am drawn to attractive looking active floorstanders. Fancy white for a change too, though like them to look like they aren't from the Ark.

    However, all said and done, something like these are attractive enough:
    Monitoring System Solo6 Be - Focal

    Finally, I really don't like buying new. So, something available on the second hand market is always preferable. Always happy to hear suggestions.

    Oh and like to be able to play music from my computer (mac mini) or iphone. The Yamaha streamer answers that, but I'd always be wondering if I needed a high quality dac, such as the Audiolab etc. Could I use a dac with a streamer? I'm really clueless!
     
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    Most actives have XLR and maybe TRS and RCA, either way it's easy to get cables, your Yamaha would work perfectly with them
     
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    Would I be missing out on sound quality though if not using the XLR cables?
     
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    No. XLR cables generally are better over very long lengths such as required in studios or professional setups etc, home or domestic use doesn't really need them
     
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    Thanks Paul. There's just something about Dali that makes me cringe. They seem a bit flash, but are relatively cheap. I'd feel much better with understated somehow.

    But they are good suggestions and I'll certainly add them to the list. Thank you.
     

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