Starship Troopers (who is it aimed at?)

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  1. briandzo

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    I watched Starship Troopers last night and am a little confused
    particularly early on in the film to what age bracket it was aimed at.

    I wasnt aware until this morning that it has a 18 cert.

    initially the film has the look of a american teen flick. the actors are all youngsters, the colour of the film looks typically yanky TV movie style.

    it wasnt until a few bodies started getting blown to peaces that i wondered who's supposed to watch it. until then i thought it fitted nicely in the 12 year old bracket. And then to my surprise theres a shower scene, where both sexes are having a communial shower and all the girls are showing us there boobs.

    it would seem a parent may not want there little Johnny to watch such scenes.

    i only bought the film because it was cheap on a superbit deal.

    The dvd cover looks like it should sit alongside 'power rangers' in woolworths.
     
  2. Lux

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    I think it is aimed at people who understand the satire of the film. so certainly not kids. on the one hand you can see it as just a "blow them up film". On the other hand you can see it as a "blow them up coz we hate them and are powerful and have a big army and can kill"
     
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    And blokes. I don't know any women who like it/get it - too many guns and creeepy-crawlies I reckon.
     
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    It is like two different films - the first half is like a american teen highschool flick, the second is a blood and guts fest.

    Saw this in the cinema and was on the verge of walking out half way through. After a while it was running on Sky movies constantly so I ended watching it a few times until eventually I 'got it' and understood where it was comming from. I now think it's a great film.

    I noticed in a film book I was flicking through that it was in the 'Propaganda' section. Don't know why - but there is some political ramblings throughout the film about earning the right to vote - which is a bit weird for this type of film. Not sure if it follows the political view of the Dutch director.
     
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    Paul Verhoven's films do tend to reflect his political musings.

    If you like the film then try and catch the spin-off cartoon series - Roughnecks: Starship Trooper chronicles. They are more accurate to Hienlen's book and for a supposedly childrens series are remarkebly good. There are six campaign discs available on DVD Region2 for about £8 each and a seventh on Region 1 only at the mo.
     
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    Well the whole film is full of propaganda. and Verhoeven shows how stupid the whole thing is:

    spoiler






    when van diem (I think that`s his name) wants to join the infantry, the recruiter tells him. great the infantry ahs made me the man I am today. and then he goes to show his legs or absence of, and his new presthetic hand.





    spoiler end


    just shows to me how stupid the whole idea of being proud to be killed or maimed is.
     
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    The whole film was a comedy. It's like a comic book for adults. When I first saw it, I didn't know what to make of it, and I was initially shocked with scenes such as "put your hand on that wall" - but the more you watch it the less your shocked and the more you find it amusing.

    "mobile infantry made me the man I am today"

    that was the funnyest line in the movie!
     
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    I enjoyed it on both levels and was surprised it was not more successful as it was, and they did not make a sequel but if it was an 18 I suppose it would have a hard time making its money back with a restricted audience, as it must have been a big budget.
     
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    I quite like it, funny and gorey a good combination. Don't have it on DVD yet. Might have to be my first superbit purchace to see if they realy are super or not!
     
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    rated R in the states and 18 here and 12 in France (you just gotta love them for their liberal views)

    anyways

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/business

    Budget
    $95,000,000


    now for the love of.. I can`t make any sense of the BO listing in imdb, but it looks like the final takings:
    $65,000,000 (Non-USA)
    $54,700,065 (USA)
    €1,460,419 (The Netherlands
    £6,315,712 (UK

    or do all the Eu countries count as NON-USA

    Rentals
    $24,393,721 (USA)


    so it did make quite a bit of money
     
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    there is a follow up to this currently in prodcution with tippett (the 3d house who did the effects for the 1st ) doing this one as well
     
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    Hey monkeyboy, anywhere you can point us for reading up on it?
     
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    How true, but for a very different reason. I listened to Verhoeven's commentary. From surveys he said that he discovered that women can not stand the fact that Denise Richards doesn't get killed!
     
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    Ditto on that:)
     
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    MEDIC :rotfl:
     
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    The only good bug is a dead bug :smashin:

    PS I am moving this thread to the 'Movies and TV' forum as I think it is more appropriate there...
     
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    Do you want to know more ?
     
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    creamed from the tippett website , hope it helps

    Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation

    2003. Phil Tippett, Tippett Studio founder, makes his directing debut on this anticipated sequel. Tippett Visual Effects Supervisor, Eric Leven, leads a diverse team of veteran Tippett Studio artists and talented graduates of the Ex'Pression Center for New Media in creating the bugs of Planet Zulu. As Phil enters post production, visual effects shot production continues into November, 2003.


    for more info see the cast on imdb.com , dont' know much about the storyline and want to remain that way, but it doesn't seem like verrhoevan is involved this time, so might not be as satirical.

    But I guess basic plot will be

    spoiler

    see bug

    kill bug

    bug carnage/ marine carnage

    squad leader outraged, squad leader wants vengence

    more bug carnage

    love interest somewhere,

    leader of marine squad finds out the bug king is his father

    squad leader torn between joining father and being marine leader

    squad leader through genetic experimentation tries to turn father into human

    bug king eats son.


    yeah I know I've lost the plot somewhere
    but I guess I've saved myself and many others several pounds and a couple of hours cinema time
     
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    also guilty of not getting this first time round.

    I went in to see it 'cold' with a girlfriend who demanded that we leave the cinema.... she did , I didn't. I don't have that particular girlfriend any more, and now rate ST as one of my favourite sci-fi films.

    Favourite moment - the defence of Whiskey Station - pure Zulu.......
     
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    I got it first time round.

    Great 'Sci Fi satire'

    Veerhoven's done it before with Robocop and Total Recall.
     
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    I've never really thought of Veerhovens sci-films as satire before - but thinking about it now, that scene in Total Recall when he's got a wet towel wrapped around his head - whenever I see that I always think 'he's got to be taking the ****'
     
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    I bought the R2 RSDL rerelease - better quality to my taped off rented flipper DVD version.

    Sound was the big sufferer!

    DPL is pants compared to DD5.1 but I did record in SUperBeta
     
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    You never thought of "Robocop" as satire?! :eek:

    There's actually a lot more to "Total Recall" than meets the eye. For example (spoilers, highlight to read):
    • Orderly's comments about "blue skies on Mars, that's a new one"
    • Melina's image appears on the monitor as Quaid's "secret agent holiday" is being implanted.
    • The guy who appears on Mars allegedly to "talk down" Quaid is the same guy who appears in an earlier advert for "Recall" on the train, suggesting that maybe he works for Recall.
    • All of the things that he says are likely to happen to Quaid if he doesn't take the pill actually do: "one moment you'll be the hero of the Resistance, the next you'll be Cohaagen's best buddy".
    For "bug" read "Denise Richards".

    Or Casper Van Dien, actually, I can't stand either of them.
     
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    Aye, the plot in Total Recall has many 'oddities' - I remember discussing it another thread a while ago. I don't think you can explain it all as there is always something in the film which will contradict any explantion. Apparetley it's a common theme for the author of the book - I think much of his stuff is to do with questioning what is real and what isn't.

    As for the satire - I haven't seen Robocop for many years now so I can't really comment. I can remember it having elements of comedy and one-liners, but I'm not sure what it was attempting to satirise.

    And as for Denise Richards - she's pure sex on legs, man !
     
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    What about Dina Meyer though ?
     
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    Pretty clothed, awful boobies. Denise, pretty clothed, pretty unclothed. Ahh, Wild Things.
     
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    Denise Richards is rather lovely (albeit currently rather pregnant) but- lets face it- is not Oscar material. Neither however is Keira Knightly for whom my best stalking coat is being dry cleaned as we speak. :devil:
     
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    "Wild Things" - hm. Well, Denise Richards' body double in that film was very nice. I don't think Ms Richards herself was much cop.
     
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    The scene where she exits the swimming pool is not a body double and I for one would sell my brother into white slavery for something that looks like that
    *Ed hopes that his girlfriend has maintained her studied indifference to AV forums :rolleyes: *
     
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    discussing this film with a work mate of late. He saw the film in its simplist form, a blood 'n' guts alien chase film. However, I told him to re-watch it and consider the satirical sub text.

    Starship Troopers is based on a 1950's book that looked at extreme right wing politics, acceptable social status and the cold war. In effect, the roughnecks are a parody of the Nazi party as this is a similar ethos to the recruitment drive they had and the aliens represent communism.

    The cleverly placed adverts are an economic statement. Again, parodying themselves to the cheesy adverts run in america post war. A popular theme running through most verhoven movies. I mean, isnt Robocopall about capitalism at its worst?

    Hope I am not teaching anyone to suck eggs here, but no one has mentioned the book, whose name escapes me.

    Cap:)
     

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