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Star Wars - General Thread

lucasisking

Distinguished Member
Ha ha brilliant! This guy nails it.

That was pretty funny actually, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not.

He's got some valid points (nothing that's not been mentioned before), but there's a lot of reaching in there too.

"all the baddies are white men"

Except I noticed women and asian people among the First Order ranks. Also, has he seen the original trilogy? The Empire was all white men.


"The evil spaceship is called the Supremacy = white supremacy."

or, it might be because its the personal flagship of Supreme leader Snoke?


"They killed Han Solo because he represents male heroism"

or, it might be because Ford only agreed to be in it if he got killed off? Like the actor has wanted for the past 35 years?


I also had to tune out whenever he started on about religion. Like many Conservatives, he's a bible thumper.
 

tonyk79

Well-known Member
How can Kevin Feige take over Star Wars and run Marvel??
Pass Marvel on to someone else. I honestly think that the next batch of Marvel Movies will start to tail off in quality and box office due to superhero fatigue and with massive characters like RDJ and Chris Evans moving on, I think this may be Chris Hemsworth last outings as well.

Star Wars seems so fractured at the moment and I think this would give it some stability.
 

tonyk79

Well-known Member
Totally. Also just because people can make good superhero movies does not automatically mean they can make a good Star Wars movie.
Possibly not, though the way he overseen and tied like 20 Movies in the MCU together takes a lot of organising. It’s clear Kevin and his team got the characters and the casting spot on and I think it would be a good time to pass it on as i can only see it going down due to Superhero fatigue.

I honestly believe that if JJ had of been given all three movies, then Star Wars would have be in a better place.
 

SDMDAM

Well-known Member
JJ wasn't though, was he. He agreed to do one and he wrote the story with no old cast reunion and having Luke as a recluse.

He then agreed to step in and do the last.

I do like JJ's films and I do agree that one writer for all three would have been better but too many people blame Johnson and TLJ when JJ need to take some share of responsibility for these sequels.
 
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lucasisking

Distinguished Member
Pass Marvel on to someone else. I honestly think that the next batch of Marvel Movies will start to tail off in quality and box office due to superhero fatigue and with massive characters like RDJ and Chris Evans moving on, I think this may be Chris Hemsworth last outings as well.

Star Wars seems so fractured at the moment and I think this would give it some stability.
Fiege has two more 'Phases' to oversee, why would Marvel stand him down when his track record is so exemplary so far?

Kennedy also has a good track record (which people seem to forget). The star wars brand is also showing signs of reunification with The Mandalorian, Jedi: Fallen Order and a promising looking Rise of Skywalker. It's just the hardcore 'fandom menace' crew that are stubbornly insisting on her being fired. Let's see how things stand after TROS.

Do you have any evidence of superhero fatigue?
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gavinhanly

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Yes - I think wait until Jan. If Skywalker is a hit with both critics and fans, and the Mandalorian continues to crowd-please, then I think only the die-hard anti-fans will be the ones complaining. I'd still like to see Filoni given a stronger role though.
 

Malingo

Active Member
Fiege has two more 'Phases' to oversee, why would Marvel stand him down when his track record is so exemplary so far?

Kennedy also has a good track record (which people seem to forget). The star wars brand is also showing signs of reunification with The Mandalorian, Jedi: Fallen Order and a promising looking Rise of Skywalker. It's just the hardcore 'fandom menace' crew that are stubbornly insisting on her being fired. Let's see how things stand after TROS.

Do you have any evidence of superhero fatigue?
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Not, perhaps the realm to get into this convo, but I think we'll truly see evidence of whether or not superhero exhaustion has set in once Phase 4 kicks in.
Easily arguable that Spidey has a LOT more cultural capital than, for example, The Eternals or Shang-Chi. Compare their returns against, say, the first Guardians or Ant Man
I would thoroughly identify as being a Marvel fan but even I am starting to feel like I'll be passing on anything outside of my personal sphere of interest (i.e. Doctor Strange and Moon Knight). Anecdotally, I'm not the only person I know who feels this way.

I think we may have experienced 'peak superhero' with EndJames.

Not that I disagree with you. Regardless of my opinion, Feige is set to be an extremely busy man for a very long time yet.
 

lucasisking

Distinguished Member
Not, perhaps the realm to get into this convo, but I think we'll truly see evidence of whether or not superhero exhaustion has set in once Phase 4 kicks in.
Easily arguable that Spidey has a LOT more cultural capital than, for example, The Eternals or Shang-Chi. Compare their returns against, say, the first Guardians or Ant Man
I would thoroughly identify as being a Marvel fan but even I am starting to feel like I'll be passing on anything outside of my personal sphere of interest (i.e. Doctor Strange and Moon Knight). Anecdotally, I'm not the only person I know who feels this way.

I think we may have experienced 'peak superhero' with EndJames.

Not that I disagree with you. Regardless of my opinion, Feige is set to be an extremely busy man for a very long time yet.
Thing is, I remember people saying they were 'done' with the MCU after Endgame (not because they were anti-Marvel, but because it seemed like the end). Yet Spidey still went straight into the $1billion club with room to spare, so the MCU appetite remained strong. There's life in the 'ol dog yet and I think Black Widow is going to be a barnstormer too; folks have waited for that one for a long time. Perhaps down the road interest may wane a bit, so I guess it's up to The Eternals to pull off the same trick as Guardians of the Galaxy did.
 

Malingo

Active Member
Thing is, I remember people saying they were 'done' with the MCU after Endgame (not because they were anti-Marvel, but because it seemed like the end). Yet Spidey still went straight into the $1billion club with room to spare, so the MCU appetite remained strong. There's life in the 'ol dog yet and I think Black Widow is going to be a barnstormer too; folks have waited for that one for a long time. Perhaps down the road interest may wane a bit, so I guess it's up to The Eternals to pull off the same trick as Guardians of the Galaxy did.
I am one of those people! 😅
But like I say, Spidey will always rope people back in because he is inarguably the best superhero. He is. I will fight anyone who disagrees.

It also might have made a difference that Far From Home was labelled as the Phase 3 coda, keeping people on the hook to see it.

Good point on Black Widow, though. She's definitely a character people have a reason to care about. Especially after the events of Endgame (do I need to spoiler this? Surely all 8 billion humans have now seen that movie).

We're miles of topic.

Quick, someone say "Star Wars"!
 

lucasisking

Distinguished Member
I think we should add a poll to the thread: 'your favourite Star Wars General'.

I think Veers for me. No nonsense, gets the job done, manages not to fail Darth Vader (and therefore survive unthrottled).
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If he'd been on Endor he'd have stomped those Ewok bastards.
 

Malingo

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Another good vid here, this guy hits the nail firmly on the head not only with the current starwars movies but current pop culture in general.
Although i should state i do not agree with some of his comments regarding guns and how a man should behave.

This guy also famously thinks that black people are genetically less intelligent than white people, something that has been disproven thousands of times over...so, feel free to disregard any opinions he has on anything.
 

Dans1210

Well-known Member
This guy also famously thinks that black people are genetically less intelligent than white people, something that has been disproven thousands of times over...so, feel free to disregard any opinions he has on anything.
Yes that point seems rather ridiculous (this isn’t in this video) however he is spot on regarding Hollywood and the current state of pop culture.
 

Malingo

Active Member
My pro tip of the day is:
If you don't like the new Star Wars movies, don't watch them.
Actually, scratch that. If you don't like movies, don't watch them.
You'll feel much happier.
 
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tonyk79

Well-known Member
Fiege has two more 'Phases' to oversee, why would Marvel stand him down when his track record is so exemplary so far?

Kennedy also has a good track record (which people seem to forget). The star wars brand is also showing signs of reunification with The Mandalorian, Jedi: Fallen Order and a promising looking Rise of Skywalker. It's just the hardcore 'fandom menace' crew that are stubbornly insisting on her being fired. Let's see how things stand after TROS.

Do you have any evidence of superhero fatigue?
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‘Perhaps, though takings have dropped and the current movie is tracking below last Jedi but that means little. I just hope they don’t drop the ball and do it justice. My hopes are high, I like JJ and the trailer was good. I Don’t mean she should be fired this week, it would a phased and controlled hand over but I think it needs a change, just like George had to step back.

As for Marvel, we have had 20+ movies in just over a decade, I think casual people will naturally get bored and drift, it’s unlikely the hardcore fans will get bored. We also have whatever DC will comeback with and the numerous TV shows from both sides.
 

lucasisking

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Another good vid here, this guy hits the nail firmly on the head not only with the current starwars movies but current pop culture in general.
Although i should state i do not agree with some of his comments regarding guns and how a man should behave.


There are some good points in there (although nothing that hasn't been said a hundred times). However a lot of it was also god-bothering conservative christian bull****.

Mate, I hate identity politics as much as you and think what started as a well-intentioned effort to deliver social justice has become divisive and toxic. But I think it's impact on Star Wars is grossly exaggerated. You have to realise Disney/Lucasfilm are all about money, not 'agendas'. Diversity and inclusion, even if it means bigging up certain groups, are designed to maximise the potential audience. And its worked: Star Wars films under Kennedy have made billions. You can't use 'Solo' as a barometer of star wars either, as it was basically an unwanted spin off. Even I couldn't be arsed with it.

Yeah, female characters have been overpowered to almost patronising levels in certain films recently, and its a strategy that's misplaced (and beginning to backfire). But Rey is by no means the worst example. She's shown to be a caring and compassionate character and her skill set can at least be partially explained.

I agree with some of the points raised by 'The Fandom Menace' and other anti-SJWs, but once you start down their dark path you can end up down a bitter and warped rabbit hole. Don't go there. Accept that some things are the way they are as part of the current zeitgeist, it wont last. Take a chill pill, and come back to the light side. Rise of Skywalker looks awesome.
 

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