Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by Ewan, Mar 24, 2004.
Has anyone seen Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country Special Edition ?
I have the region 1 edition its very very good, possibly the best of the series.
The extras are very good and i think the film is one of the best.
I also have the R1 version. Great film. Great features. Great disc.
.... and I've got the R2 version. Is there anything in particular you wanted to know about it?
I also have the Region 2 release, is there any info you are looking for mate because all I know is that the Special Edition is a different edit from all other releases of the film, the Region 1 release didnt come with an Insert but the Region 2 release did and that there was a major printing mistake of Disc 2 of the Region 1 release but no such mistake on the Region 2 release.
This version is the same version originally released on VHS during the nineties, it has 2 scenes altered, (( the scene at the end of the film is essential and was missing from all cinema prints but is on this dvd and was on the original VHS editions too ))
They really should get Meyer back to do another Trek film.
Actually mate the Special Edition is a new re-edit, not much has changed but it is different to the VHS and last DVD release so including the Cinema release there are now 3 different versions out there of this film, I just hope they make a re-edit of Generations as there is footage missing that needs to be put back in to make sense of later scenes.
Thanks for the repies I decied to get it any way-wanted to add it my DVD collection
Thinking about getting Star Trek III: The Search For Spock: Special Collector's Edition - DVD Region 1 next.
What printing mistake is that?
What printing mistake is that?
Disc 2 has a picture of Enterprise B from Generations plus it is upside down.
Yeah, Meyer did all the good treks (though he "only" wrote the screenplay for IV).
So, just to clarify: Does the R1 special edition of ST VI have the different ending that FoxyMulder mentioned, or is it just the R2?
It is not a different ending, its just that in the Cinema release all the scenes with Rene Auberjonois were not present so at the end you think a Klingon was trying to kill the President but with the VHS release back in the early 90s they put the scenes with Rene Auberjonois back into the film so you find out that it was actually a human dressed as a Klingon trying to kill the President and this version of the film is what has always been shown on TV and VHS/DVD/Laserdisc and all the other formats.
What is different about the new Special Edition release though is that the last version has been re-edited with a few scenes changed slightly and unless you really know the film very well you will probaley only spot the changes in the Mind Meld scene and none of the others but if you want to know what has been changed switch on the text commentary as they point out all the changes.
I have found that R2 releases of the 'Kirk' films have a forced subtitle problem (on my player anyway) where there is no translation when the Klingons, Vulcans etc speak!
The R1 ones work fine!
I have three R2 titles and want to get the R1 ones instead.
Thats strange as the subtitles always come up when I watch them on any of my players.
I know this is being pedantic to the point of annoyance, but is that ship really "upside down" in space? It's all realtive...
As to sussing that was "Enterprise B", well spotted.
And yes the R1 has all the additional sequences.
I was just about to order the region 1 special edition version from play, but I cannot find any mention anywhere if it is anamorphic, if it isn't I will not bother.
Can anyone confirm the r1 special edition release is anamorphic???
I just thought that'd be the Excelsior. Same model as the Enterprise-B.
I am aware it is the same model but, it looks like the Enteprsie B when they are in space dock at the beginning of Generations.
I can confirm that the Region 1 SE is anamorphic.
Indiana Jones- I was thinking about buying the R4 version
The thing that most annoys me about this film is the phrase "the undiscovered country". They identify it as a quote from Hamlet, but in that context the phrase doesn't actually refer to "the future" it refers to Death:
Yes - I've often wondered about that one. However it's not like someone as savvy as Meyer to miss that.
Perhaps the future as a metaphor for the death of the old ways? With the added chilling irony of Gorkon toasting "...the undiscovered country..." "...the future..." when his imminent future is death.
That's the whole point.
To the Federation it means death - hence their unease at it's use in a speech given by Gorkon looking forward, optimisticly to the Klingon - uncertainly to Kirk et al, to the future.
To the Klingons - who knows, it probably doesn't translate - but of course Gorkon doesn't/didn't know it in Shakespearian context.
No, I don't buy that. Spock identifies the quote as "Hamlet, Act III, scene I". The Klingon Chancellor jokes that you can't appreciate Shakespeare unless you've read it in the original Klingon, and General Chang is full of Shakespeare quotes right through the film: "Cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!", etc.
It makes no sense to suppose that the Klingon characters would understand the original line that badly. It makes a great deal of sense that the script-writers would misunderstand it that badly.
Whether you buy it or not, the simplest explanation is usually the best.
Besides, it's only a fricking movie!
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