Spoiler Thread! Star Wars: The Last Jedi - You've been warned!

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    1. Phil Hinton

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      Now that screenings are happening and there is lot's to talk about, this is the Spoiler Heavy thread - You've Been Warned!

      This is the place to discuss everything that confused, annoyed and delighted you about the film in detail. BUT - you still need to use the spoiler tags just in case someone accidently wanders in here...

      So, let's begin...
       
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      who use Snoke? I so wanted that Luke at the end to be real and see him crushing At Ats, they copped out with him effectively becoming a force ghost in the next one, did anyone else notice Rey had stolen the Jedi books and put them on the falcon, too many jokes, don’t see what the big deal is with Rose she didn’t do much, they should’ve let Finn die at the end. I did like the ship destroying Snokes looked great in IMAX.
      I do fear for what Rian will bring to a new trilogy, I’d love a darker one but I don’t think it will happen.
       
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      I put my initial thoughts in the spoiler free thread but now I’ve had the time to sleep on it.

      Honestly, I feel like the worst Star Wars fan in the world because as much as I wanted to love this film, I really didn’t

      It really felt that this was made up as it went along

      Film was way too long and I think the casino planet visit could have been completely cut out. Del Torro was a wasted opportunity and also un-nessesary.

      How come Rey, kylo and Luke can now use the force to physically see and touch eachother? That’s a new one?

      Glad Snoke got bumped off but no explanation of who he was. I felt him and Phasma got bumped off because Rian didn’t like the characters which JJ had set up.

      Loved Leia but that force thing she did, omg it was terrible. That doesn’t even happen in GOTG

      Hux was made into a comedy act.

      Too much Poe in this movie yet seemed like they didn’t know what to do with him.

      Felt completely cheated that there was no Luke fighting with a sabre. And then they kill him off by making him one with the force...... are you kidding me

      You can tell this movie is Disney firmly taking the movies in a new direction while with Rogue one and Force Awakens they played it safe
       
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      I would give it 7/10, that may change on a subsequent viewing when I am not so dog tired and have my expectations set a little differently.

      Overall there was a lot to like but also a few things that didn't work for me. The humour was a little too unsubtle in places, I didn't like seeing Hux reduced to a comedy sidekick and it felt like it was trying too hard with some of the comedy, I was worried that Star Wars would become Disneyfied once they took over the reins but the last couple of films proved that wrong, this one not so much.

      I didn't enjoy the Casino scene, it didn't feel very StarWarsy, more like something from a Harry Potter film, and that whole little subplot around it felt a bit unnecessary, I would rather have skipped it and had Finn and Rose sneaking on board to sabotage Snoke's ship instead. Del torro was great if a little wasted though.

      Laura Dern's character was OKish but I would rather they had given that part to Admiral Ackbar instead and had him dying a hero's death instead of the rather lame, brutal way they killed him off. I wasn't overly keen on the "Mary Poppins" scene either.

      It probably won't be popular but I liked that we finally learned about Rey's parents and that she isn't directly linked or related to any previous character, I have never liked the fan service need to join everybody to someone else, after all, the Jedi in the prequels came from all over the universe and not from the same bloodline. I didn't mind that we don't learn anything new about Snoke either.

      The Collision scene was amazing, probably my favourite part of the movie. Seeing Rey and Ren kicking ass together was a highlight too.

      Overall it wasn't a bad movie but not the great one I was expecting either.
       
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      Very disappointed. Agree completely with the Hux comedy sidekick views, he didnt deserve that (actor and character). Too often it drifted towards being a parody. I wanted to love it but it feels like Johnson just doesn't quite get what star wars is, which seems ridiculous but thats how it looked.

      Dont blame Disney, this is Lucasfilm. I feel sorry for the cast putting so much into this and for it to come over as a send up! Force Awakens was so much better so I'm glad JJ is back for. Ep9, hopefully he can give this trilogy a decent finale.

      Maybe I'll feel differently after a second viewing. I hope so but we'll see. Only going again as I attended a midnight showing, and family will want to see it.

      Overall feeling right now though is disappointment, Johnson missed the mark by some way. Two years wondering who Snoke was and who Rey's parents were...
       
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      At least Phasma was used to her full potential :eek: :D
      Some enjoyable bits, Lukes' scenes, Ren and Ray fighting together, the sacrifice of Holdo(?)
      some funny lines, some not so funny.
      Good cinematography and music .
      All in all another Star Wars movie that's nothing special, BUT it is a another Star Wars movie so that makes it special-ish :confused:
       
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      Someone please explain that ending. Or is it just telling us there are force sensitive kids out there. I honestly thought the kid was going to go all Qwiditch on us.!
       
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      not telling us who Snoke is really irks me he’s the reason the first order is there
       
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      Just going to rattle off a list:

      Build up Snoke, then he gets whacked by his inferior student and you learn nothing about him.

      Luke and Rey on the island went on for too long.

      Casino trip went on for too long.

      All the waiting for Luke and he did naff all. No awesome fight scenes, or use of Force powers, and no grand death scene.

      No classic Lightsaber fight.

      Didn't like the Luke Force hologram. Bit of a cop out.

      Chewie didn't do a lot.

      I'm sure more will pop into my head.
       
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      Yup that was a

      Oh-cmon-Seriously.jpg
      Moment .
       
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      One of the most dissapointing, missed opportunities we will ever see from a Star Wars film, mainly due to the fact that....

      LUKE SKYWALKER, played by Mark Hamill himself didn't get any sabre fight scenes, you get a half arsed flashback scene and a hologram projection of him. Now without sounding morbid but with Han no longer in the saga, Carrie's passing, Mark isn't exactly a spring chicken so who knows how long he has left, without sounding too morbid. You have him back in the role to really show him being a baddass. Meant to be "The most powerful Jedi in history." and literally does.. erm.... he buys time with a hologram projection and then dies. I waited years for that cop out. I feel gutted, truly.

      To think we will never see Luke in living form in Star Wars ever again, after having Mark Hamill at your disposal to play him when it is evident with Carrie that this opportunity should be cherished is frankly disrespectful.

      Not to mentioned the below points as well:

      - Snoke: Ah who cares where he is from, or is he or how he is so powerful.

      - Rey: Ah, her parents? (whether Kylo was lying or not) let's just say they are nobodies. Underwhelming.

      - Knights of Ren? Ah, nobody wants to see them or how they formed, or that attack on the planet Luke was on. It seemed like Luke goes to confront Kylo and then bam Kylo crushes the room goes away, gets his suit on, returns with KOR all within the night? Even though he wasn't turned at that point? Poor.

      - Finn: Great character. John is such an energetic force with great charisma, yet in this one he basically becomes a side character with a token Asian to promote Black and Asian mixed political message forced down our throats. Now let me just say I have no issue with that, but because the two actors had no chemistry and it felt so forced it made it stand out massively and that is the reason I mention it.

      To have him moments away from dying and sacrificing himself to save the resistance would of actually been quite powerful, the fact she pushed him out the way to save him because she loved him, putting the whole resistance in jeopardy is laughable and again ridiculous. Their whole side plot with the Casino was boring as well. They also had to chuck in another "animal cruelty is bad" message and a "people who make money from war, BADDDD" message. Again, both are bad, but when I see certain movies I want to escape from reality for 2 hours and just be entertained, not have messages forced down my throat. There is a time and a place.

      Phasma: So they bring her back with no explanation as to what happened with the whole garbage shoot/trash compactor scene, giving her even less screentime than TFA as she is then killed within minutes. Seriously?


      I truly had such high expectations for this movie, but I feel it is one of the biggest missed opportunities a film will ever get, when you consider the age Mark Hamill is now, which is very sad, but the harsh truth what with Carrie's recent sad passing.

      It did have a couple of good scenes though, my favourite being the Rey and Kylo Ren team up where they took the whole room on.

      Adam Driver as Kylo Ren being the biggest positive from this movie for me, I thought he was very good and is the one with the most character development.
       
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      Did anyone else think
      that the commander of the Drednaught seemed like a great character, I was sorry to see him get killed. Or presumably killed
       
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      I had the exact same thoughts, as it happened straight after Luke's death I was thinking is this them saying Luke has transferred his power to that kid? I just can't believe you get Mark Hamill back in one of the most iconic roles of all time to just waste him like that. Especially with the unfortunate passing of Carrie, time is not kind, which is a harsh reality that kicked home with them even more so because of Carrie and they still waste the opportunity.

      I am not sure on this either with the last scene, that is one of the biggest questions I have from last night also. This random kid just so happens to have the force too? Rey's brother Gary Stu in episode 9 maybe? Seeing as his parents are nobodies too presumely. Cannot believe it has been ruined like this.

      This is coming from somebody who can still appreciate Episode 1, even 2 (to a less extent).

      But anyway I'm getting off subject, sorry!! I too would love to know what that end scene was all about?
       
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      Yup must admit he was like old school military commander with the :rolleyes: these First Order guys are real Muppets look .
       
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      Hated the Disney marvel jokes..the whole casino stuff was too long and imo boring
      Leia floating in space no just no
      What was the point of snoke
      Finn should have died
      Rose was awful
      phasma again pointless
       
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      Hi

      The end scene , as I saw it was the passing of the torch onto a new era . In fact TLJ even more so than TFA passes that torch over to the new . Smoke being killed by Ren is a passing of the guard for the dark side and Lukes sacrifice ( on a temple I might add ) is the passing of the light . It' is to create a spark once again in the rebellion that is almost wiped out in this film.

      On The one hand the dark side kills the old for the new . The light sacrificing itself to become more than power alone

      The kid at the end is showing light at the end of the tunnel and the spark of light and balence is still there to be found /SPOILER]
       
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      For me no Han Solo, no Star Wars. I went into the film knowing they couldn't kill anyone off that would really bother me. The only thing that would of annoyed me was if the Falcon was destroyed, but thankfully it lives on and was the star of the show. 6/10 but may change on second viewing.
       
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      A whole heap of issues with this movie, really didn’t like it

      Supreme Leader Snoke we hardly knew ye...

      Poe, Finn and Rose’s storyline was pointless. The same result or better would have occurred if they had done nothing, both on the ship and on Krayt. Less people killed definitely.

      Yoda looked drunk.

      Hux is now comic relief, with Eddie Hitler as his second in command.

      The tracking device thing went nowhere, I thought Holdo was going to be a traitor. Also, somebody is a fan of the first series of the new Battlestar Galactica.

      Why didn’t they kamikaze the ship straight away?

      Last we see of Luke (apart from a ghost) and he doesn’t fight with a lightsaber.

      Casino scene was pointless, as was the camel-rabbit chase.

      Why was the stable boy still in a job? All the animals were gone, released with his help. Sackable offence surely?

      Why do people say “Godspeed”? Isn’t it MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU???

      BB-8 is just R2. Swiss Army Droid.

      Rogue One is head and shoulders above this rubbish.
       
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      i thought Yoda was great
       
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      Yup Rogue One is a better standalone film but it had a lil more leg room to breath not being so hang tied to the saga.
       
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      Have to concur with most of the grievances listed above and also add one further...

      Maybe I just wasn’t paying close enough attention but how did del Toro’s hacker know about the plan to evacuate the remaining rebels on the transports in order to sell that info?

      As when Finn spoke to Poe he was still on the bridge of the command vessel waiting for the light speed tracking device to be disabled :confused:
       
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      Is no one here going to mention
      Luke Skywalker, Milking that creature's Teat and drinking the Blue Milk, then dribbling it down his beard while smiling at the camera.. or did that not happen?
       
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      Oops. Got banned from the spoiler free thread. My apologies
      Not sure what 2 posts it was but maybe this was one
      ”Loved the silent bang bit”
      Sorry :(

      That was a truly great moment and I thought the sound had gone wrong in the cinema for split moment!
      Didn’t think that was a spoiler myself but I’d rather not get banned so will be more careful :thumbsup:
       
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      Have to admit when I came out of the cinema I was annoyed with the two big questions left over from TFA .

      Snokes departure in TLJ keaving his origens untold and Reys parentage and her Origens in the saga . Having had time to ponder both I'm wondering .

      Snoke being established in one film and dispatched in the next seems a strange step . Im now wondering if Disney are planning a Snoke stand alone film to tell his own story in the Star Wars universe . If not then its a very wasted charecter . Looking at the MCU they do like to world build . Pure speculation I know


      Onto Reys parentage . This is still open and unresolved for me as Snoke and Ren both used her parentage as a tool for means of torture dis info and control . I'm not to sure if this aspect was resolved in this film as it is her ultimate weakness to be exploited [ /SPOILER]
       
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      These two points seem to be the cause of a lot of annoyance but they didn't really trouble me. In the past we have had bad guys in Star Wars movies that have no real history from when we first meet them right up until their demise - Darth Maul, Boba Fett, General Grevious, Count Duku and the Emperor himself for example and none of those troubled anyone at the time.

      It was a strange step to off Snoke in this film though, I expected to see him around well into the next film too.

      The same goes for Rey's parents, the fact that they were essentially nobodies was there to show that the universe will keep serving up force sensitive people on it's own, regardless of who they might be related to (just like the kid at the end). I am pretty glad that we didn't find out that she was the offspring of Obi Wan or someone else, I don't like it when everything has to be linked up like that.
       
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      But the Problem with Rey
      She is so powerful, for a nobody, she has pretty strong powers , she bests ten, who has skywalker blood...and has been trained..Thats the problem i had with the film saying her parents were nobody's
       
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      Some have been minions though ( like Phasma ) and the others have had their backstories elaborated via the prequels . You said it yourself twas a lil strange of a departure. Hence my reasoning on a future project on that front .

      As for my latter point in my spoiler I'm not so sure that it has been resoled in this film reading between the lines .
       
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      'The Force Awakens' purposely set out to establish Rey's parentage & her own immediate mastery of the Force as a mystery. Snoke not so much, but it's not unnatural for fans to ask where this new big bad suddenly appeared from given his knowledge of Vader, the Skywalkers, Dark Side etc. All of the supplemental material (mediocre novels and comics afaik) produced by LucasFilm since 2015 have almost completely avoided the subject too, suggesting to many that these revelations were being saved for Episode VIII & IX.

      My own feeling is that J.J. Abrams set these mysteries up for the following film makers to solve. Rian Johnson's decision to effectively retcon them away will undoubtedly frustrate those fans who've been speculating on the answers for the last two years and were hoping for some answers from this film.
       
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      Well the prequels pretty much told us that a semi religious bloodline is not needed to become a strong and powerful user of the force . A nobody can rise , but TFA and TLJ is till still focussed on Reys parentage as a strength and indeed weakness to be used SPOILER]
       
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      Something that may become a specific problem with this film is that she's only on the island with Luke for sixteen hours. In that time she goes from deeply hating Kylo for murdering a man she only knew for a day to becoming obsessed (to the point of risking her life) with freeing him from the dark side. Awfully quick change of heart imo.
       

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