SPECTRE Review

Chevyonfuel

Distinguished Member
Overall, I think this is as fair a review as I’ve read so far. I went to see it last night – my immediate feeling afterwards was “very good, but something was missing”. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but thinking over it now, there were a few bits that I think let the film down.

I thought Monica Belluci was a missed opportunity. It’s a pity she didn’t have more sceen time. At the same time, as much as I liked Lea Seydoux’s performance, I didn’t find myself that bothered whether she came to harm or not. It puts into perspective just how good Eva Green was in Casino Royale. I got the sense that the audience, like myself, have fond memories of Vesper, and she will be remembered as the Bond girl of the DC era.

The nods to other films in the franchise I thought were neat and mostly well judged, but some felt like a box ticking exercise. The score was great in places, overpowering in others, and a copy & paste of Skyfall more often than not.

Waltz was a bit baffling IMO, there were moments where the hint of the evil genius he can bring to a role did surface, but he seemed to be playing it quite safe for the most part.

Overall, I think it was DC’s best Bond in terms of his own performance, and Q was superb, but it wasn’t quite complete. I cannot fault the pre titles sequence though; the mixture of Alfonso Cuarón style shooting, and the live action stunt work in the chopper sequence was first class (excusing the CGI elements).

The worrying thing for me, being a Bond nut since my youth, is that I don't know where they go from here. The transition from Bourne'esque to Bond, with a more traditional formula, isn't being greeted well by the public thus far and although elements of the film were outstanding, it missed the mark and makes the next move a tricky one.
 

kbfern

Distinguished Member
I love Bond and have not seen it yet, this review has certainly tempered my expectations as the PR machine was in full throttle yesterday on the tv.

Not sure I will see it at the cinema or not yet and may wait it out for the bluray. Then again I may just buckle and see it on the big screen but I am not busting a gut to see it which I was till I read the review and also the neg comments on the Bond thread.:(
 

Jenz

Well-known Member
Spot on review that echoes my own 7/10 viewpoint when I saw it last night. It's still more entertaining than 80% of movies but should have been so much better.

Not quite Quantum of Solace 2, but definitely behind Casino and Skyfall.

They need to go back to the Casino Royale style Bond imho.
 

Lesmor

Distinguished Member
Surely Moore can never be classed as "Bond" he is, and always will be, Simon Templar "The Saint" and that's how be played the role of Bond.
Over the years there have been some crap castings I mean John Cleese as Q, give me a break.
At least now that has been rectified with Ben Wishaw.
Also Judi Dench played a brilliant 'M'
There's only ever been three actors worthy of the role of Bond
Sean Connery
Pierce Brosnan (at a push)
Daniel Craig
I wont be seeing "Spectre" in the cinema, probably home rental, and if the soundtrack is any good maybe buy the Blu-ray.
 

kbfern

Distinguished Member
Lesmor I agree with your Bond actors,the rest were not worth bothering with IMV.

Connery was the first so I suppose will always be regarded as the best but DC runs him a very close second.I hope he does another and can't imagine who could better these two.
 

jamiey

Active Member
Hmmmmmmmmm... Really not sure what I think. I don't love it.

Just seems to be lacking a certain something.

The expansion of Q's role was great, the Aston is beautiful, as is Lea Seydoux

But... But... I don't know.

Just seems to lack spectacle, if it did cost $300M, I don't really feel like it's on the screen. If you compare it the MI:RN which was around $150M, it feels like it has a lot less action and pure "wow factor".

Really struggled with some of the dialogue
I could not make out "L' American", I wasn't sure if they were saying "American" or "Meerkan", or "Meerkat"

Off to see it again at the local Imax on Thursday so will make up my mind then.
 

Steve Withers

Distinguished Member
Roger Moore will always be Bond to me because I grew up on the classic MWTGG-TSWLM-Moonraker films. As a kid I'd never heard of Simon Templar and only knew Moore from Bond and The Wild Geese. I always thought it was a shame that Timothy Dalton didn't do more films, he was a great Bond and played it more like the character in the books. His License to Kill pre-dates the serious tone of the Craig movies by 17 years. I enjoyed SPECTRE but it does suffer from a tonal imbalance, never sure whether it's serious or jokey. However for me, the single best Bond film remains OHMSS, which SPECTRE references quite a bit, along with a host of other Bond movies. In fact it plays like a Bond Greatest Hits package at times.
 

Lesmor

Distinguished Member
Roger Moore will always be Bond to me because I grew up on the classic MWTGG-TSWLM-Moonraker films. As a kid I'd never heard of Simon Templar and only knew Moore from Bond and The Wild Geese. I always thought it was a shame that Timothy Dalton didn't do more films, he was a great Bond and played it more like the character in the books. His License to Kill pre-dates the serious tone of the Craig movies by 17 years. I enjoyed SPECTRE but it does suffer from a tonal imbalance, never sure whether it's serious or jokey. However for me, the single best Bond film remains OHMSS, which SPECTRE references quite a bit, along with a host of other Bond movies. It plays like a Bond Greatest Hits package at times.
Yes Steve I agree that many will have their favourite Bond depending on age.
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember Simon Templar and "The Saint" was one of my Favourite TV shows as a kid.
But as Bond never took to him as he played it as the same character so hardly surprised that you liked him in that role.
 

ViolentReaction

Well-known Member
Has to be Fassbender for whoever the next one is I think! He is more a serious character actor though so not sure if he would do it, or what style it would take.
 

Steve Withers

Distinguished Member
Fassbender would be a great choice but they definitely need to cast a bit younger so the actor can get a good run of films in before hitting 50. If this is Craig's last outing, it's a shame they couldn't find room for Jeffrey Wright's Felix Leiter.
 

Hillskill

Moderator/Games Reviewer
Enjoyed it but definitely time for a change. Elba and Nolan in to reset and start a new bond. I'd like to see his recruitment from the SAS and see the transition from raw, brutal talent to a more recognisable but modern Bond.
 

Goooner

Distinguished Member
Isn't that what we've seen already with Craig though? Not sure another complete reboot so soon would work, would it?
 

1080 jawbreaker

Well-known Member
well, I thought all Craigs Bonds were crap thus far so I might enjoy this :)
 

Hillskill

Moderator/Games Reviewer
Isn't that what we've seen already with Craig though? Not sure another complete reboot so soon would work, would it?

Doesn't need to be a reboot. Its instead showing that same Bond universe moving on to a new recruit to generate a whole new canon and direction.
 

Casimir Harlow

Blu-ray Reviewer
Enjoyed it but definitely time for a change. Elba and Nolan in to reset and start a new bond. I'd like to see his recruitment from the SAS and see the transition from raw, brutal talent to a more recognisable but modern Bond.

I would love for that dream team to become a reality, but Elba's just too old. It's a shame because, had they caught him young enough, he could have run and run in the role. (damn, and if they'd ever got Clive Owen...)

Have to say, though, after 3 seasons of Luther and his turn in the Wire I can't see Elba downplaying that swagger enough to take orders. I know Craig was ALWAYS off reservation, but Elba wouldn't even care where the reservation was. He'd just tower over M with his trademark hunch and stare at him and say "Hmmmm?!" in that way that means, "You had better agree with me right now."

People I don't want as Bond:

Benedict Cumberbatch
Justin Bieber
Kanye West
 

Hillskill

Moderator/Games Reviewer
I would love for that dream team to become a reality, but Elba's just too old. It's a shame because, had they caught him young enough, he could have run and run in the role. (damn, and if they'd ever got Clive Owen...)

Have to say, though, after 3 seasons of Luther and his turn in the Wire I can't see Elba downplaying that swagger enough to take orders. I know Craig was ALWAYS off reservation, but Elba wouldn't even care where the reservation was. He'd just tower over M with his trademark hunch and stare at him and say "Hmmmm?!" in that way that means, "You had better agree with me right now."

People I don't want as Bond:

Benedict Cumberbatch
Justin Bieber
Kanye West

It would be a big ask to give the part to Elba at his age yes. I just don't buy into the Fassbender idea though. Tom Hardy I could get on board with but not convinced he would even go for it.
 

PaxtonSage

Active Member
Going by the review it seems as though Mendes was trying to find a happy medium between the fans and those that wouldn't normally watch Bond, which hasn't worked. I myself have never been a big Bond fan but do own three of them as I feel they stand up on their own merits. Having seen some of the dross that Moore used to make and for me stinkers like Tomorrow Never Dies & Quantum Of Solace I sometimes feel that we are a bit too protective of our very own 007 and are frightened of pushing the character out of his comfort zone. I do feel we need a reimagining of the character that is something completely alien to what we have seen before.

As has been said I feel Fassbender would of made a great bond even though he might be a bit too old also ditto with Elbra. If it wasn't for the fact he is such a main player in the Marvel universe I would of loved to see Tom Hiddleston given a chance as Bond.
 

rhino2k

Distinguished Member
Thank you for the review Cas.
I took one look at the new bond girl and thought to myself "really?". This was without seeing any trailers and I am yet to see the film.

She does not even look like a Bond Girl, As you say Vesper/Eva Green was amazing and they do not seem to have tried very hard to match her again.

I shall look forward to this but it does sound like they have lost the very thing that made the reboot so brilliant, That Hard, Blunt and Unflinching Bond for a modern time. Pretend high kicks and karate chops just will not cut it! (i hope he does not use any of the old bond moves!)
 
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DrGekko

Well-known Member
Hmmm... Great review by the way, thanks. It's just that I've been so excited after seeing the trailer a few times and following Skyfall's greatness. I guess the lame theme song hinted that this may not be up to all we expected.

Nevertheless, I'm still looking forward to the 007 spectacle at the new Imax at Resortworld in a couple of weeks.
 

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