Speakers ideas with NO parts from Asia.

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  1. Toth1

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    Hello, I have tried searching the forums haven't really come up with any answers to the question. Are there any speaker brands on the planet that dont contain Asian parts? I have a client that is anti-asia business and really wants to spend more to get European, or North American made speakers. Need both in-ceiling, in-wall, and towers. Pricing is obviously a consideration but lets just say this client has deep pockets. Any thoughts?

    regards,
    Ken in Canada
     
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    Tannoy still make a limited amount of their drivers in the UK, but I would put money on the crossover components coming from China! They also don't do any of their high end stuff for in wall.

    A lot of speaker boxes are also made in China due to cost. Not sure about the other side of the pond, maybe some high end stuff, but the majority will still contain Chinese parts.

    M&K Might be worth contacting? Certainly their design and development happens in the States.
     
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    Thanks Noiseboy, I will call Tannoy but likely chinese crossovers or cones.
     
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    As far as I can make out, DALI make all their own drivers, tweeters and boxes in Denmark. Maybe worth asking them.
     
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    There are speakers that are completely made in-country (US, UK, EU,...) but they are EXPENSIVE, before we go farther we should discuss the working BUDGET.

    Focal are made in France. Worth checking into.

    I suspect higher end B&W are make completely in the UK.

    Canton are a German company, I suspect the higher end Reference speakers are made in Germany.

    I suspect many speakers can be found, but do count on them being expensive.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Focal produce all their gear in-house as far as I'm aware (France).

    edit - beaten by a wizard
     
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    What about Boenicke, even the crossover components they use tend to be high end german made or similar: Boenicke Audio
     
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    PMC are made entirely in the UK
     
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    What a ridiculous position to take and rule out an entire continent.
     
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    Sheffield based Wilson Benesch make their own drivers & cabinets. Well worth a look.
     
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    It's like saying you want to buy a UK/US/EU car with no "asian" parts in it. Good luck, especially if you are going to component (transistors/capacitors/etc.) level. For example, the crossover boards may be designed/assembled in the UK/US/EU, but where are the caps/diodes made? Probably not the UK/US/EU. Quality manufacturers will use the best components their various price points allow.
     
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    Have some principles and tell the person you can't work with him?
     
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    I suspect wanting a UK/EU/USA product with NO PARTS from Asia, while commendable, is unrealistic. Perhaps change that to no major components or assembly in Asia, is more realistic. So much is made in Asia now, that find a 100% pure product is next to impossible. Do I really care if the Speaker Terminals are made in China, if the Drivers and Cabinets are made and assembled in the UK/EU?

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    Sorry, nothing "commendable" about it. Quality is not limited to Western economies... remember the post WW2 label "japcrap" and when German products were considered low-quality? Now Japanese and German manufactured goods (cameras, electronics, cars) are considered top-quality.

    I guess all the young'uns need to have us old farts around to provide context to a lot of dogwhistle nonsense.
     
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    It is commendable in that it supports many UK/EU workers, and it support Manufacturer determined to keep their product in country, and made by skilled and highly paid workers. Most stuff made in Asia, whether we want to admit it or not, is in essence made by slave labor for low wager with little regard for environmental impact.

    But the worlds manufacturing has moved to Asia, and that is pretty much that, which is why it is unrealistic to expect 100% Asia free products. But if someone wants to go out of their way to support EU/UK Workers and is willing to pay the cost, that is commendable though an option that is not available to most consumers.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    From where I'm standing, it seems like the old farts are the ones susceptible to dog whistle nonsense and exceptionalism.
     
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    Sure, support local workers and industries when possible and practical. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have bought anything in a Walmart. But blaming the consumer for buying products from industries mostly "off-shored" by US/EU/UK corporations over the last few decades is unfair. And make no mistake, it is what most people would think of as US/EU/UK Wall Street/City of London corporations owning/subcontracting/buying-from those low-wage/no-benefits/eco-cidal economies.

    Customer service and attention to detail, as well as the specs and reviews, were the deciding factors when I recently bought my Q Acoustics 3020s and HSU subwoofer. But there was no local supplier/retailer for these products... should I have "bought Canadian", as there are some very credible speaker manufacturers here? But since I only buy audio gear once every few decades (literally), I was going for the most bang for my buck. The Yamaha A-S501 fit the same criteria as the speakers... reputable manufacturer, good reviews for the specific product from several testers.
     
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    Not this old fart. If you are referring to the general case where too many oldsters tend auto-vote Conservative/Republican, sure, but don't lump me in with that crowd. And not that I find ANY of the political parties worth the powder to blow them to hell.
     
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    I’d suggest that they are all worth precisely that much.
     
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    Dali make excellent equipment and all of it in house in Denmark.

    (Russ beat me to it... :smashin: ).
     
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    Wonder what the OP's friend does for his displays, are there any TVs that don't originate from Asia or at the very least doesn't have Asian parts in it's make up. As for voting I always vote Plaid Cymru.
     
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    My Dali Katch clearly says "Made in China", only the design and engineering is done in Denmark. This can also be seen on page 4 of the whitepaper on the Dali web site (https://www.dali-speakers.com/media/3624/dali-katch-whitepaper.pdf).
     
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    There's an old techie truism, I saw mostly used when the bean counters showed up to tell the engineers/staff how to "find efficiencies". Bean counters and textbook "engineers" , who for the most part never made a single thing with their own hands, telling those of us actually making the stuff what "quality" means.

    I loved watching the bean counters' eyes go round in their heads when the senior engineer told them: "You can have it cheap, good or fast... pick two."

    In the case of complex, testing and experience-based tech like stereo gear, "fast" means how long it takes to get the glitches ironed out of the design and production systems.

    It took the major industrial valve company I worked for a few months to set up their new die-casting/assembly line in Mexico, and over a year to get the quality/throughput to equal the US/Canadian product/production that the Mexican lines were replacing. This was for their natural gas safety valves, and they nearly lost their significant share of the North American market. OOPS!

    It will take a major world-wide economic collapse and/or massive escalation of the current tariff/trade wars to bring off-shored manufacturing back to the US/EU/UK, let alone the component part production, particularly semiconductors. I don't see any economic/trade scenario where "re-shoring" these industries will not cause big increases in cost, and possibly reductions in quantity and quality as the inevitable teething costs/issues are worked out.

    As an old production engineer I knew often said about the now-ubiquitous Western service economy, "shuffling paper and "finding efficiencies" is fine, but somewhere sometime someone actually has to MAKE something".
     
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    As a retired electronics design engineer, I couldn't agree more!
     
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    Dynaudio still do all in house i believe..drivers and cabs.

    B&W have a huge factory where i live where they make their upper range stuff and build in house
     
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    The real nitty-gritty starts on where "non-asian" speaker/amp manufacturers get components like semiconductors, the wire they wind into speaker/crossover coils, the screws used to hold it all together... Does B&W press or die-cast their own speaker frames in house, or even in the UK? Where did the steel or aluminum alloy used in those frames come from? The magnets? Only want "non-asian" raw material sources/refining/processing? Even murkier...

    Keeping track of materials to that extent is the realm of space programs and nuclear energy... and is VERY expensive. A stainless steel fitting that in standard commercial grade may cost $30 will easily cost into the $hundreds if fully nuclear certified. (Yes, I did work in/serving the nuclear industry, AECL and a major international valve mfr). Again... good, cheap, fast... pick two. Except in the nuclear/space industries there is no "cheap".

    So to repeat, yes, support local industries when it makes sense, but the idea that any hifi product available in the UK/US/EU will not have some items, both minor and major, coming from "asian sources" is a doomed quest.
     
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    ATC All made in house as well but likes been already said where do the parts come from that are assembled in house.
     
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    Maybe Martin Logan.
    I don't think you'll find anyone who manufactures all the components in the west.
     
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    Depending on where your clients based for in wall may be worth looking at multiducers. i had a demo for AV conference room solutions and this Company had an interesting in wall solution. There’s also a residential use proposition.

    Worth enquiring where they manufacture their solutions. Met the CEO also, he’s got a great grounding in industrial design.

    Residential Solutions - Revolution Acoustics

    RGB communications in the UK is a channel partner of theirs.
     

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