Speaker cable for MA Bronze range?

I've been reading and reading a lot about the difference that good speaker cables make and have decided to check it out by myself. I'm now looking to buy some decent speaker at least for my fronts and centre and a cheaper one to wire my BX FXs. I heard that the Supra Ply 3.4 is a good cable but would it suit my system?
Will it make any audible difference or will it be a waste of money? My receiver is a Denon AVR 1911.

Thanks ;)
 

KUBBY

Well-known Member
Did your reading encompass THIS THREAD?

A very interesting thread summed up at post 96 by andy1249.


K.
 

formbypc

Active Member
Some of the folks on the other thread would certainly suggest it is.

Some folks there would suggest that the differences identified are in the imagination of those performing the test.

Only you can decide. Nobody else listens with your ears. Nobody else listens for what you listen for in a piece of music, or in a HiFi System.

Try some. Compare some. Buy what you prefer.
 

Alan Mac

Well-known Member
Only you can decide. Nobody else listens with your ears. Nobody else listens for what you listen for in a piece of music, or in a HiFi System.

Try some. Compare some. Buy what you prefer.


But how do you try and compare loudspeaker cables?

The differences are likely to exist only in the listener’s imagination.

That’s another way of saying there are no real audible differences - that the “differences” you hear are an illusion. But of course it is the nature of illusions that the “victim” is completely unaware that it is an illusion.

So any valid comparison must use a methodology which avoids the listener becoming the victim of the illusion that a difference exists when in fact it does not.


Alan
 

BlueWizard

Distinguished Member
If you have a source of the Supra Ply 3.4 wire and you are willing to pay the price, then it is as good as any, especially for the front. I think that is far too expensive to run to your rear speakers though, but then it is your money, spend it how you like.

Most would say the Van Damme Studio Blue wire was perfectly serviceable -

Van Damme Speaker Cable - Audiovisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Good wire and something of a bargain would be be Fisual wire -

Fisual Speaker Cable - Audiovisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

QED is always well regarded, though a trace more expensive -

QED Speaker Cable - Audiovisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Most would recommend that you get wire that was 2.5mm² or minimum AWG 14ga (2.08mm²), and priced in the £1 to £5 per meter range without terminations. The Banana plug or Spade terminations cost extra if you want them installed for you. Now, especially for the front three speakers (left/center/right) you can pay as much as you can reasonably afford. But try to keep that amount in reasonable proportion to the rest of your system. Though given how short the runs are for the front 3 speaker, even expensive wire is not going to break the bank. For consumer grade equipment, which is what you have, I don't recommend going over £10/meter for speakers wire.

Most likely for myself, for basic consumer grade equipment, I would probably go with something like the Van Damme Blue in front, and the Fisual DualCon or QED 79 Strand for the rear. Though you are certainly free to spend what ever you like on your wire.

Steve/bluewizard
 

formbypc

Active Member
But how do you try and compare loudspeaker cables?

The differences are likely to exist only in the listener’s imagination.

Oh, for goodness' sake, Alan - you connect one pair and listen. You connect the other pair and listen again. Repeat the process for as long as you wish, or for however long someone has loaned you the cables.

If you prefer one to the other, you buy them. If you can discern no difference, you probably buy the cheaper of the two (or three, or however many you compared).

This is what it's all about - listening. Nobody buys a HiFi component to look at its readout on a test rig - it's a piece of equipment to be listened to.

It's really condescending to presume that every perceived audible difference is down to the listener's 'imagination', although you don't explicitly state as such - merely that it's 'likely' ....
 

formbypc

Active Member
So any valid comparison must use a methodology which avoids the listener becoming the victim of the illusion that a difference exists when in fact it does not.

...but you're the victim of the illusion that everything sounds the same because your testing gear says it measures the same; although you offer no proof that the science of testing audio components has evolved as far as it possibly can and is therefore a complete methodology.

Remember, we're at a point where science previously held that nothing moved faster than light, but some scientists now seem to be claiming that they've observed particles moving faster.......

Where does that leave the science of benchtesting audio gear? Complete to point where it's an absolute truth? Or subject to revision when a new group of scientists finds something new about it?
 

diablo

Active Member

If helder buys this I hope it has improved since the last lot of Electrosmart cable I got - the resistance was way high.

Oh, for goodness' sake, Alan - you connect one pair and listen. You connect the other pair and listen again. Repeat the process for as long as you wish, or for however long someone has loaned you the cables.

If you prefer one to the other, you buy them. If you can discern no difference, you probably buy the cheaper of the two (or three, or however many you compared).

This is what it's all about - listening. Nobody buys a HiFi component to look at its readout on a test rig - it's a piece of equipment to be listened to.

It's really condescending to presume that every perceived audible difference is down to the listener's 'imagination', although you don't explicitly state as such - merely that it's 'likely' ....

Connecting one set and then the other allows the brain to forget the sound. Only proper comparison is blind testing.

I think I may have mentioned earlier that my blind testings showed I was stupid to think that one set of cables was better than another - though I sincerely believed it at the time. :)
 

KUBBY

Well-known Member
My mention of the "Other Thread" was not intended to encourage any disagreement or "Shortness" between members.I certainly didn't intend that this thread became a mirror of that one.

helder.Among many others,some a lot cheaper,the 2.5mm Van Damme blue at about £2.49 a Metre will be fine for your set up.

Good luck,

K.
 
Thanks everyone ;) I guess I'll buy some Van Damme cable and put the saved money towards the subwoofer that I'm planning to get very soon.

Case closed :)
 

l34052

Well-known Member
This is very good cable, nice and thick...HERE.
 

paulrw

Active Member
My BX2s are bi-wired with QED silver aniversary, only needed 2 x 1.5m lenghts, quality colour coded, but the first real quality cable i have ever bought.
Did'nt audio visual do a discount for av forum members? any body got a link please?
 

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