Speaker Cable choice

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  1. AVUSERANON

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    4 choices of cable:

    They vary in price range.

    Some are marked as directional - copper cable directional?
    Some are unshielded - heard arguments from both sides
    Some are rated for amplifiers upto xx watts - Is it OK to use a more powerful amp?

    Thoughts and advice appreciated


    Kimber 8VS - Kimber Kable - 8VS
    QED Silver Anniversary XT - Flat Rock Bulk Cables
    Audioquest X2 - http://www.qed.co.uk/speaker_cables/..._xt_cable.html
    Oehlbach SP-25 - http://www.oehlbach.com/en/home-hifi...lverline-sp-25
     
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    Just buy something like 3/4 mm speaker cable not rip off cables. There is a graph showing what cable you should use, depending on what the speaker load is, the cable distance, and power.
     
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    Save your money and buy some Van Damme blue 2.5mm speaker cable, unless you are running kW amps over long distances.
     
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    Those are indeed somewhat expensive speaker wires. Before I would remotely consider any of them I would like to know what system they will be used on. In other words give us at least the brand and model of the amp and speakers you are using with these cables.

    Though others disagree, I say budget about 5% for all wire and cable. Note that is BUDGET, you can spend what you want. But about 5% is the range most people are in.

    The the analysis gets quite complex, I found several wires that had full specs - Resistance per distance, Capacitance, and Inductance - and calculated how much those factor would come into play with normal length speaker cables. They do not. The effect of these factors come in in the many 100's of thousands of cycles. The are completely out of the audio range.

    Even fancy wire like Kimber Kable, while a good concept, does not effect the audio range. There is nothing wrong with this wire, but it seems a lot of money for very little effect.

    Unless you happen to have 500 watt per channel amps or 2 ohm speakers, 2.5mm or 14ga (2.08mm²) or 12ga (3.31mm²) are more than adequate for a vast majority of people. Though just from memory, I think 14ga (2.08mm²) wire will sustain 300watts all day long, the wire has a working peak of 1800watts, and an failure peak of about 8000watts. I think that is adequate for the needs of most people.

    Now I have nothing against buying nice looking wire and cable, but you need to be reasonably restrained and what you spend has to be in reasonable proportion to the rest of your equipment, which is why I would like to know what your Amp and Speakers have, to give us that sense of reasonable proportion.

    The Van Damme Blue 2.5mm² is studio grade wire, and is the most often recommended wire for those looking for something above common twin-lead wire. The Van Damme Blue is not the cheapest, but it is pretty reasonably priced. About £2.50 per meter plus the cost of the Terminations, and by terminations I mean Banana or Spade connectors for the ends.

    VanDamme 268-525-060 Speaker Cable, 2 x 2.5 mm mm², Blue PVC Sheath

    Here are some reference threads you might find helpful -

    Cable Length as a Precent of Speaker Impedance Table | AVForums

    More DIY Cable - for those interested | AVForums

    This next one is of limited value because in the thread I forgot to post a link to the original post I was referencing -

    Wire + Fancy Jacket + Fancy Pants = £££Wire$$$ | AVForums

    Also, in another forum, here is an expanded, slightly mathy, version of the Speaker Wire parameters analyzed -

    Speaker Cable Debate in Perspective - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

    The QED X-Tube speaker cable is pretty good, though a bit expensive. This includes the Anniversary XT cable.

    QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    QED X-Tube XT-40 Aircore Technology Speaker Cable - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    But there is nothing to substantiate that the above is any better than this -

    Fisual S-Flex Black Studio Grade Speaker Cable 2 x 2.5mm - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Fisual S-Flex White Studio Grade Speaker Cable 2 x 2.5mm - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Fisual Super Pearl 2.5mm Speaker Cable Black - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    I kind of like the Fisual Super Pearl, but fankly, just because it looks cool.

    Equally no problem with straight forward Audioquest cables -

    AudioQuest FLX-SLiP 14/2 (2 x 14 AWG) Grey Installation Speaker Cable - Audioquest - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    AudioQuest FLX-SLiP 14/2 (2 x 14 AWG) White Installation Speaker Cable - Audioquest - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    And fancy dressed up cable, but remember, it is just dressed up, underneath, it is just wire -

    AudioQuest CinemaQuest Type 4 Speaker Cable - Audioquest - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Let's take something like the Fisual Super Pearl, and put end plugs on it and find the finished price -

    Fisual Super Pearl 2.5mm Speaker Cable Black - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Length = 3m
    Amp Terminations = QED Plastic Airlock Banana Plugs
    Speaker Terminations = QED Plastic Airlock Banana Plugs

    TOTAL COST = £22/cable or £44/cable pair

    If we go with QED Silver Anniversary XT cable -

    QED Silver Anniversary XT Speaker Cable - By Brand - AudioVisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    Length = 3m
    Amp Terminations = QED Plastic Airlock Banana Plugs
    Speaker Terminations = QED Plastic Airlock Banana Plugs
    TOTAL COST = £36.85/cable or £73.70/cable pair


    I think few on these forum would feel any need to spend more than that.

    Here is a thread in another post where someone bought cable much like the Fisual S-Flex Studio and dressed it up extra fancy and came out with some pretty nice cables -

    Have a look at these Beauties!!!! How to make your OWN "High End" Cables!!! - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews

    Get what you want, but be restrained as there is no proof on any front that extremely expensive cable offers anything but a thinner wallet.

    Steve/bluewizard
     
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    The really important thing is that its long enough to stretch between the speaker and your amplifier. Aside from that something with a 2 x 2.5mm conductor should be grand.
     
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    An alternative to the Van Damme is Sommer Meridian 2x2.5mm.

    Same thing, but cheaper and comes in a nicer dark grey out skin (IMO).

    Got mine from studiospares.
     
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    The SP240 2x4.0mm Sommer cable is really excellent quality, I believe it's German-made so (AIUI) must pass all their strict regulations and tests, so I wouldn't hesitate to also recommend the 2x2.5mm version size.
     
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    many thanks for all the feedback. Managed to obtain Kimber at reduced price ;-)

    Kimber / Monitor Audio Silver / Yamaha RXA. Sounds nice.
     

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