Sony X3000/X3500 Series Thread *Part 2*

Curly99

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Part 2 is a continuation of this thread http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-televisions/602863-sony-x3000-x3500-series-thread.html

Thanks goes Chrisgeo for the original thread

UPDATED FIRST POST FOR X3000/X3500 28/9/08

NEW LIST WITH OWNERS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS SORT BY PANEL TYPE
T2 Panel

Xabi17 - 40X3500 - Smearing.
SteveRobertsBBC - 40X3000 - Blurring/Image Lag/Rainbowing/Off-Axis greying.
DaveBeef1 - 40X3000 - Picture Deterioration.
Signs - 46X3500 - Clouding/Smearing/Dead Pixels.
tonnytech - 40X3500 - Smearing/motion blur and stuck pixel.
blakey313 - 40X3000 - Smearing/Trailing/Blurring. No clouding.-brightness 51 for ps3/50 for freeview
maus - 46X3000 - Smearing/Trailing.
Markt25 - 46X3500 - Smearing.
DeanA - 40X3000 (updated software) - Problem Free.
creid1 - 46X3000 (updated software) - Problem Free.
Robbie Razzler - 46X3000 - Problem Free.
daz777 - 40x3500 (updated software) - problem free.
RyoSaeba-52X3500 - Problem Free
Fudoh-52X3500-11/07-Smearing,Clouding,Flashlight,dead pixel
Dinoj-40X3500-Fault free(fw 581)-11/07(made in spain)
pavlos-46X3500-Fault free 8/07
ukpolak-46X3000-Fault free 10/07(Made in Spain)
tuftyuk-46X3500-Fault free 10/07
OldFourEyes-46X3000-10/07-fault free
Nariman-40X3500-Fault free
VXB-40X3000-10/07-Fault free

T1 Panel
Zippy75 - 40X3500 - Problem Free.
DaveBeef1 - 40X3500 - Problem Free.
rman2727 - 46X3000 - Problem Free.
GizmoStu - 40X3000 - Problem Free.
jayyaj - 40X3500 - Problem Free.
necronom - 40X3000 - Problem Free.
djmuk100 - 40X3500 - Problem Free.
clao- 40X3500 -Torchlight effect+clouding
barghest - 40X3500 - Smearing
njwatkins-40X3500 11/2007-Torchlight effect.
Twin Turbo - 40X3000 - Problem Free
zero-one-40X3500-Problem Free
Chef_Hendrix-46X3000-Problem Free
Lagavulin-46X3000 12/07-Problem Free
mpv-52X3500-Fault free
djfonti-52X3500-Fault free
241-40X3500-Fault free
markwww673-46X3000-Fault free
Shahin_K-46X3500-Fault free
freddy08-46X3500-Fault free
JohnSyl-40X3000 01/2008-Fault free
sofireland-46X3000-12/07-Fault free
thehitman-40X3000-02/08-Fault free
artisun-40X3000-12/07-Fault free
mattclarkie-46X3500-02/08-Fault free
Shiverzz-40X3500-02/08-Fault free
retro41-40X3000-02/08-Fault free
gando-40X3500-10/07-Fault free
colbert-46X3500-Fault free
brownboy-46X3500-02/08-Fault free
Ronin2009-46X3500-02/08-Fault free
Deepus-40X3000-02/08-Fault free(only some fan noise)
hjni-40X3000-Fault free
ninjafeel1970-40X3000-02/08-Fault free
ISEEDUMBPEOPLE-46X3000-Fault free
Dans72-40X3000-11/07-Fault free
Mat R Guy-40Χ3500-03/08-Fault free
chrismuk-40X3000-02/08-Fault free
artisun-40X3500-03/08-Fault free
Collo64-40X3500-Fault free
thelawns-40X3000-Fault free
badaman321-40X3000-Clouding(due replacing it)
Badger67-40X3000-03/08-Fault free
peahead-40X3000-02/08-Fault free
zia-40X3000-Fault free
Badger67-40X3000-03/08-Fault free
inni786-40X3000-03/08-Fault free
vasilisl-40Χ3000-03/08-Fault free(slight buzzying noise)
arloubas-46X3500-02/08-Fault free
sewe-46X3500-04/08-Fault free
smokedog-40X3000-Smearing
Betamax_man-40X3000-Fault free
Konflict-40X3000-Fault free
Pidlovous-40X3500-03/08-Fault free
mark5cott-46Χ3000-02/08-Fault free
fearlessturk-40X3500-02/08-Fault free(minor clouding)
El Basto-40X3500-04/08-Fault free
While the new sony's series have not released yet,seem to be very popular!So this is a thread about them!!Any question about them,all the owners discussions will be here!!The prices have started to appear at 1875£ cheapest price for the 40X3500.And some prices in europe have appeared too.
HERE IS THE FIRMWARE UPDATE FOR THE FAN NOISE PROBLEM


FULL INSTRUCTIONS ON THE ATTACHMENT
1 - check whether panel = T1 or T2
2 - ensure you use a formatted Sony memory stick that is NOT magic gate pro.

RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

FIRMWARE INSTALLATION
Ok first a big thanks to McE for the 46" firmware

I thought I would give a couple of pointers for Anyone flashing as I did make a bit of a cockup on Mine

The flash firmware is around 7MB so it would be tight on a 8MB memory stick
I used a Sony camcorder USB-PC copied off all the files except a small hidden 0 byte file (memstick.ind) So as windows reported just a FAT formated disc I would think that little file is all You need and created during sony's format process so I would think You might be able drop a 0byte text file and name it "memstick.ind" in the Root of a formated (in a card reader) memorystick if You have no sony device to hand

Set the TV to an unused AV input or Analog TV (not digital)

Power down TV fully (disconnect mains )

Insert memory card after lifting back the plastic dust cover

Reconnect Mains and press power button
after a couple of Mins You should get some Red and orange light activity then Tv will display Updating...that will go off and some more flashing lights

After about 10 Mins the TV will reboot and a little later display the AVinput channel You previously set

A few Mins later it would appear all is done

Might be worth waiting longer than I did here (although I dont think it will make any difference).... SEE NOTE A

Turn off TV (side button) and Disconnect mains for a min to fully reboot tv Remove Memory stick and Turn on TV

Now on start up I Got a Flashing Red LED ( No mention of that in the Instructions)

NOTE A
It would appear You do need the reboot here as the second part of the Firmware flash is done in the background and takes a further 10 Mins during which the red light will flash, I cannot reflash My TV to see If things can be done a different way at this second stage but I would suggest You just Power off/on the TV on from the side button and leave it for 10 Mins and the second stage which is actually an update of the ASUCA will complete which appears is updated from the TV's internal flash memory after the Memory stick is removed (apparently this process can auto restart if interupted) All the manual says is dont use Digital TV during this period... theres Me trying to retune fortunatly I did the analogue first and the light had stopped flashing by then

Now I have the Luxury of 2 Manuals and the second part of the process is clear as MUD but It does appear to need a second reboot before all the firmware modules report the new versions

I hope I have not Put anyone off updating as I'm sure It's pretty much safe as houses...It has to be as technicians have to be able to do it
Instructions made by Jakus


For those interested, the T2 panels are:

40X3000: 4600001-4600515, 4800001-4801325
40X3500: 4000001-4001427, 4300001-4310869
46X3000: 4600001-4600844, 4800001-4801458
46X3500: 4000001-4001163, 4300001-4304051
52X3500: 4000001- , 4300001-

difference btween T1 nad T2 by twinturbo
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showp...postcount=7286


SPECS

Available in 40",46",52",70"
The X3000 will be only in 40" and 46".The X3500 will be in all sizes.
The 70X3500 will be available later(near november)

FULL HD 1080P TV
2.200:1 on screen contrast ratio
18.000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
450cd/m2 brightness
Motionflow +100Hz
Response time 8ms
3x HDMI 1.3
10bit panel
2x scart
USB input
x.v color
24p true cinema
BRAVIA ENGINE PRO
S-FORCE FRONT SURROUND

MANUAL ON THIS LINK
http://support.sony-europe.com/manua...me=KDL-46X3500


FULL SPECIFICATIONS ON PDF ATTACHMENT
The 70" version of the X3500 will has increased dynamic contrast ratio of 25.000:1 and will have LED backlight.

REVIEWS
http://www.hdtvorg.co.uk/reviews/lcd...dl-46x3500.htm
Sony KDL40X3500 Review: 40” Bravia 100Hz HD 1080p LCD TV

SETTINGS THREAD
Sony X3000 series settings

OWNER REVIEW
HERE IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN X2000 AND X3500
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showp...postcount=6574


ZERO CLOUDING (even with backlight high)
Only checked PS3 games & Blu-Ray films so far. Image on 1080p & 720p are both brilliant. I found that detail enhancer "High" makes a huge difference to the details on films like faces & hair, looked much softer & not to my liking off or on lower settings. 720p motorstorm game was quite blurry on details as well before changing this. The motion enhancer to "High" worked great on games & films alike. Ninja gaiden was much less blurry on panning in 1st person view, no artifacting at all. Film mode on auto 1 in combo with smooth enhancer to "high" made games even smoother. Casino royale on auto 1 & high though looked too smooth like real life which may of been good but it loses smoothness & reverts to jerky again on/off which was annoying so auto 2 & high seems to work the best on films & looked very smooth, again no artifacts i could see. One thing of note when playing 720p stuff if you change the screen scaling from normal to +1 it gets rid of some more of the overscan, not sure if all like 1080p "full pixel" will check later.
The screen is less matte than my v2000 sony & slightly more glossy which is quite nice, helps contrast slightly. Not like a mirror though.
The bezel looks amazing very high quality, like the finish on my mini-disc portable player.
The black levels when it is set to power saving high & backlight zero are very good like my previous sony in fact.
SD isnt a high point with the X3500. I think even on a 26" LCD (like my old Sharp) you wont get anywhere as near as good SD than your 32" CRT. Im pretty willing to give and take with this TV though as the Hi Def performance more than makes up for SD... but I guess Im lucky to have SkyHD to with its upscaling.

One thing I forgot to add.. my TV has no clouding at all too so lets hope that trend continues for those here who may make a purchase.
Finished trying the Nintendo Wii & wow its great for 480p. Have now found that motion enhancer high & auto 1 on some games ends up like films smooth as butter then back to original frame rate on/off depending on business of scene i now prefer to have this off for games & just have motion enhancer high (of course blu-ray still auto 2 & high).
480p suffers from no ghosting like on previous sony 720p tv's. Dependant on what game you play, you alter DRC 0-100 x 0-100 when its set to on, detail enhancer, edge enhancer & i left sharpness at 10 for now. On metroid 3 on wii & the Gamecube game Starfox Adv. I had DRC 100 x 100 & detail Enh high, edge enh low, this made the game look sharp enough unlike previous sony tv which was always blurry due to aliasing & lack of control over Bravia processing. All off or all on it was still great. On a game with sharp graphics like Mario sunshine on Gamecube it was best to tone them done a bit to detail enh low, edge enh low & DRC on or off? which made it look superb. I was honestly not expecting a 1080p screen to do 480p this good. You have so much control over how the image ends up detail wise, excellent. Colors on standard def work best on standard not wide & unlike before live color works on either. Reds on standard are now not orange unlike the V series. Red & greens on standard are less overcooked than on wide. Overscan is probably the same as a 720p set although i have not checked this yet.
Had a quick look at my Xbox360 Elite on 1080p over hdmi. Kameo & perfect dark look nice & sharp like when it used to do on 1360 x 768 to 1:1 map on 720p tv. These 2 games only support 720p on the box, the X360 scaler is doing a great job sending out 1080p. Colors on wide setting look great, no overscan again, used detail enhancer low to bring out more detail. It booted up in 720p when i first switched the x360 on & even that seemed good on the dashboard.
Off to try out HD-DVD's & DVD's next.
I will be calibrating most stuff using Digital video essentials sometime soon as well to check my settings.
Also the dynamic dimming, i only have noticed it on a dvd when it was showing some warning messages & on blank screens between these. In games or Blu-rays on the short bursts i have been on them i have noticed nothing. Plus power save 2 backlight 0 produces great blacks so would prob not notice the effect as much anyway as someone who has a higher backlight setting.
Regarding humming, fan noise it is not silent i don't think have not tested properly but it is by no means at the moment anything to worry about the slight humming would be drowned out if you have PS3 x360 or your surround system on (i am playing with no volume at the mo).
It might have cost a lot to buy this tv but i think it was worth every penny maybe other screens are good also i could not comment but this one does not dissapoint at all
It is not as such a fan noise like PS3 as such more a whine or buzz (slight whirring?) when you have your head near the tv at the side it sounds like a slight fan noise.
The manual states on p48 that there is a fan. The 52" does not have any internal fans.
It is only annoying if you are in a silent room with no machines on & no sounds. When playing a console & with sound on tv or amp & speakers it is no problem. But it is certainly not totally silent like the v series. The tv has been on now since lunch time & the heat has not made any clouds appear, so looks like its a big thumbs up.

Regarding your other request i may try tomorrow but my digi camera is real cheap so prob a waste of time but will try in the morning. Regards
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Tried the PS2 at 576i thru component & amazingly ratchett & clank 3 & sly cooper 3 with some tweeking both look really good, maybe some blockyness on some pixel area's but from 6ft back it looked really good, so much better without the ghost edging of the v series. Although Jak & daxter did not look so great but i put that down to the game (obviously crt is better but it is all about the balance of HD & SD & i am really pleased with the balance). The motion high setting & auto 1 worked a treat on Ratchett 3 hardly any blur at all & no choppyness, although i only checked it for 3 minutes.

HD-DVD's on X360 add-on looked great as expected. Great blacks, shadow detail, colors & the dimming was no problem. Motion flow auto 1 again made it super slick like camcorder footage till it lose's it off & on, if only it could be slick all thru the film, never mind auto 2 & motion high look nice if a little hard to tell from them being on or off sometimes.

Only PC & DVD (upscaled) to go, phew!!
Buy the way you get a thick chunky vga lead with this tv 1.5 - 2 meter long, nice.
Re Standard definition, I really think my judgement is being clouded by the fact Ive gone up from 26" to 40" so thats an issue. There was little difference between the Freeview and RGB Scart from my SkyHD, but I hardly touched any settings there, today was really about having some HD fun..

My friend who looked at the TV noticed some difference between 720p and 1080p especially in PS3 gaming. That suprised me. I always thought you needed 46"+ to see that.

Digital tv with the onboard tuner (prob no diff to external one), to be honest looks quite rubbish to me although i sit only 6ft away. The 720p sony although 40" & further away is better.
On match of the day when they paused the footage when they did analysis the players & white chalk went jaggy most odd. Mosquito noise all over etc & detail settings just enhanced all the faults. I would avoid like the plague. Others channels were not very hot either, good job i don't use for a tv. I don't have Sky HD. Sorry!
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No adapter just the vga cable very good it is though.
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I looked at DRC & the detail enhancer etc on the overscan/sharpness test pattern & they can add oversharpening i think on some settings & make the imperfections of the pattern show up more. Balance is the key i think & what looks good in real world watching per disc. Nice to have all the options though.
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Tried out the pc & all resolutions work fine. 1024 x 768 which i use a fair bit (point & click advs.) looks very good. I tried 1920 x 1080 on outrun 2006:coast to coast & oh my this looks so sweet.
One thing to note is that unlike previous tv's you can alter more options while in vga input. Can't remember them all but gamma, motion enhancer, film mode, game mode, contrast enhancer & many others i can't remember are still enabled

DVD's on ps3 scaled to 1080p i hit a problem it seems to have a nasty artifact which i noticed on monsters inc & checked again on the DVE overscan/sharpness test pattern. It has some strange lines of sorts hard to explain. But no probs as set the PS3 to 720p & screen to +1 & this defeated overscan for 720p like full pixel for 1080p. The artifact was gone & i adjusted the sharpness etc to get a sharp image but not oversharp & monsters inc looked superb, so i'll stick with this i think now. Dvd's look just as good or better than my 720p sony did so all's well.

Used DVE to set up PS3 & used white balance settings of "CDjay" was it? who had ISF done & although my tv could differ with the others settings i had made it looked fab. Colors thru the RGB color filter looked as spot on as i've seen, in the flesh they looked great, skintones seems right & primary colors looked good no orange reds or greeny yellow's. The PS3 passed blacker than black & whiter than white on hdmi.

For dvd's on PS3 at 720p (PS3 super white)

settings:-
BLight - min
Cont - max
bright - 52
color - 50
color temp - warm 2
sharpness - 10
NR - off
MPEG NR - off
DRC - off
Black corr - off
Avd cont - off
gamma - low
clear white - off
color space - wide
live color - low
white balance - RG(-5), GG (0), BG (-3), RB (-8), GB (-3), BB (-3)
detail enh - low
edge enh - off
display area - +1
motion enh - high
film mode - auto 2
game mode - off
power saving - high
light sensor - off

When watching BLU-RAY i will only change to PS3 1080p, display area full pixel & detail enhancer perhaps on high.

Well pleased with this!
I gonna check if Xbox360 on hdmi at 1080p has this strange artifact on dvd pattern & dvd as well.
Games & blu-ray seem fine from this although if i notice it i will let everyone know. Must be the PS3 scaler not up to scratch??, hope upscaled PS2 games don't suffer from this as well.
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Checked DVE dvd test pattern on X360 at 1080p hdmi & the effect is not there, thank goodness. May see what dvd's are like on X360 now if i can stand the noise on a film! This seems to suggest the PS3 is at fault not the tv
Noticed that the edge enhancer adds no white ghost sharpening it kind of makes the edge sharper by defeating the color fade at the edge of writing.

Really been getting to grips with all the options & have almost got settings nailed down for everything. This really is such a great tv & is not missing a single feature you can think of.
I have discovered on 720p & 1080p you can alter the aspect ratio to all the modes 4:3, zoom etc. Very nice, not seen that before.
I thought i would let you know about DRC (part of bravia engine pro) which is not fully on the W3000 i believe. On standard def & 720p it really seems to pay to have this i have found. The bar you slide to the right smooths jaggys a bit & smooths out imperfections in the image due to scaling this seems to work best at 100 (full setting), the slider upward adds detail, too high on certain things & image looks grainier & rougher. On all my standard def & 720p games with the right slider on full & then on a game by game or dvd basis you only adjust the upward slider between 0 - 100, you should be able to obtain the best image for each. Mostly between 20 - 100. On 720p though i have DRC at 100 x 100. The normal sharpness setting (not the DRC or enhancers) across the board i have set to 25 now. The edge enhancer to low works best only for standard def games i think & detail enhancer makes games too grainy even on low apart from Bioshock at 1080p on X360 (weird). This works for 480p & 576i & p. On 1080p blu-ray & HD-DVD DRC at 1080p is disabled so sharpness 25 & detail enhancer low, edge enhancer off works best. 1080p X360 & single 1080p PS3 game (, Ridge racer) sharpness 25 (up to 35 on some games) & on only on a few games detail enhancer low, pretty much off though.

MOTION ENHANCERS: I mentioned before about auto 1 & motion high being silky until the frame rate drops on occasion but when it holds it reduces blur to almost nothing & seems to make 30fps games run at almost 60fps in smoothness, though on some games there is an artifact which is like vaseline smearing/ water effect (hard to explain) around a character or edge of screen on occasion, dropping motion to auto 1 & standard removes this as well as some of the silkyness & the frame rate is also less. If game is not suited then use auto 2 motion high or just motion high on its own i can't tell the difference.
For films i only use auto 2 & motion high to avoid camcorder reality & the frame rate going up & down (even on Blu-ray 1080/24p).

Game mode seems to do nothing to my eyes, maybe input lag although i don't notice any lag anyway from controller press to screen.

If any other owners have a test disc with a greyscale 10 or is it 20 segment ramp from blacker than black to whiter than white, is on warm 2 & white balance all 0 your whites very pinky as mine seem to be. The boxs near to whiter than white is very red tinged? in fact red tinged all over. Not sure if CDjay ISF white balance works on mine but it certainly removes the red tinge on the greyscale test pattern, maybe adds green in the mid section a bit. May need to get this calibrated somewhere??

If anyone wants to know my final (ish) settings for all my equipment let me know i will post them up next week.
Hoping to fully enjoy now!!
Standard def was always good game & dvd wise i have just perfected it now to out of this world for a 1080p tv, better than my 720p tv thats for sure.
The ownly time i criticise standard def was digital tv & as i do not watch a lot or will use this tv for this at all i rushed it a bit. I owe you & everyone an apology as with my DRC knowledge i hooked up an extension to the arial & checked it again.
The programme i saw before was perhaps not good quality wise the other day? but from what i saw tonight i would upgrade my opinion to superb. On a good quality non-compressed programme it looked dvd in quality almost. I think i had too many enhancers & the DRC upward slider too high before.
In case you want to test in a shop, i used sharpness 10, DRC 100 to the right & 20-30 upward, detail & edge enhancers both off, possible use of NR & MPEG NR to low depend on source then up DRC a touch if so? All other settings of contrast etc are as per my PS3 settings i think, except for gamma off.
Hopes this helps!
Review by VegaCortez

yes, you just select "full pixel" under display area.

For PC use this is actually an excellent "monitor". :D

In what will be of great interest to you, cnet reviewed the XBR4 ( X3000, basically ) and posted their calibration settings. Which.... are great.

F** knows what they are on about re: 1080p/24 tho, after reading the review I did my own testing and can't fathom what they're thinking there. 1080p/24 Auto1/Standard all the way!

So, here is the cnet settings, w/ that aspect modified:

Picture Menu

Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 7
Picture: 85
Brightness: 56
Color: 62
Color temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 50
Noise reduction: Off
MPEG noise reduction: Off
DRC mode: Off


Advanced Settings

Black corrector: Off
Advanced C.E: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear white: Off
Color space: Standard
Live color: Off
Detail enhancer: Off
Edge enhancer: Off


White Balance Menu

R-Gain: 0
G-Gain: -4
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: -1
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Screen menu

Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: On
4:3 Default: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel

Video Options menu

Motion Enhancer: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 1
Game/Text mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video-A
Video Color Space: Auto
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: [N/A for HDMI]
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

General Menu
Power saving: High
Light sensor: Off

This seems to look great across all my sources, by and large. I still can't get the exceptional black level/depth on Sky HD, altho perhaps I am just watching the wrong programs, but the rest of the spectrum looks excellent with these settings. Blu-ray discs at 1080p/24 w/ the above settings are STUNNING. I'd assume the same is true of HD-DVDs but I'm waiting on my A35 before watching any properly

Checked my 360 ( over component ) using the Halo 3 a/v calibration thing on the limited edition, and the contrast / colour accuracy is absolutely spot on w/ those settings.

The only input I'd consider boosting the contrast/brightness/backlight for, possibly, is PC monitor use. Still got to mess around w/ that.

In my testing, I agree w/ them re: the black level/advanced contrast enhancer. Black level correction really does crush shadow detail, although at first glance can look better ( not the case as much since I started using those settings, though ) but it's fleeting. On my XBR2 the advanced contrast enhancer DID help w/ shadow detail but more crucially improved percieved black depth/levels. It has the reverse effect on the XBR4 in my experience, making "black" not so "black".

Anyway, u'll probably be wanting a link to the review; just disregard their 1080p/24 comments or at least check it over yourself.....

OK first preliminary report on my 46X3500.

First off it does look like it means business - I know the 'floating glass' design is not everyone's cup of tea but I love it and it helps the TV look both imposing and like a serious piece of kit (which it is).

Now I have not really zeroed in my setting yet so this is all first impression stuff!

First off Blu Ray from a US PS3 - after a bit of fiddling and using CNET's settings as my starting point I was REALLY impressed with the quailty of the picture - its hard to explain but the pq quality is an improvement over my old X2000 - I think this is mainly down to the 24fps and possibly 100hz. Overall the picture had more a cinematic feel - I know that is vague but thats the best way I can describe it. So far so good!

HD DVD from my Tosh A20 also pumping out 24fps also looks absolutely amazing although I have to say Blu Ray nabs it but that could be down to the PS3 being a better player but never the less the picture looked fantastic - really sharp, loads of detail and fantastic colour. Both BD and HD DVD displayed fantadtic black levels - reall,really good.


Now down to XBox 360 playing Halo3 - first off I can now get 1080p through component (the X2000 could only manage 1080i) - well this looked awesome - really sharp - no trailing whatsoever (I wasn't using Game mode as I preferred my settings) colours again looked fantastic and there was absolutley no delay with the image. Fantastic!

Finally SKY HD - this is the area I am having the most trouble nailing in the settings - BBC HD channel looks absolutely stunning but SD channels look a little washed and soft at the moment - the F1 qualifing (Go Lewis!!)looked really drab and the graphics on the screen looked slightly blurred - although I do think that this is down to the actual broadcast rather than the TV but not 100% sure. I think the TV needs to settle a little before I will get a better handle on what settings work best for me with SKY. I didn't really notice alot of improvement with the Motion on whilst watching the rugby but it does state in the anual that you do not always notice it. I think it is the old case of low bitrate channels are going to look pants no matter what settings you have .

Overall I am loving it and have NO REGRETS replacing my X2000 with it - AWESOME TV!!!!

This TV was made in Spain in July and as far as I can see has no dead pixels, banding or clouding.

More when I have played more
Review my midknight

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...g=links;review

I will re-iterate again, I am extremely happy with this set. My only two nagging concerns were colour accuracy ( now seems exceptional in this regard ) and black depth ( again, now seems exceptional ). The only source I'm not 100% happy with atm is Sky HD, so I'll welcome any new owners opinions :D

Hope that helps y'all

CDJay

SD SETTINGS BY djmuk100


I notice that some still have problems with picture quality on the screen.

I have a T1 model and quite honestly the factory default setting "standard" is not a good quality picture, no where near a good picture as the standard settings on an X2000.

But having tried many settings on this thread including those set up by the * website which has tried to recreate the picture "as the director of film intended", I still found this too dark.

Please find below the settings that I have found that work really well on SD, they may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I have had quite a few people comment on how brilliant the picture looks now:

Setting Standard
Backlight 6
Contract 65
Brightness 50
Colour 55
Colour Temp Neutral
Sharpness 60
Noise Reduction Low
Mpeg Low
DRC Mode 1
DRC Palette R25 C80
Bacl evel Low
Adv Contrast Med
Gamma Low
Clr White Off
Colour Space Wide
Live Colour Low
White Baland and all of the rest in this section 0
Dig Enhancer Medium
Edge Enhancer Medium

Motion Enhancer Std
Film Mode Off

Hope it helps, please make a post if you get a better picture by tweaking these settings.

Thanks

djmuk100


FINAL VEGACORTEZ SETTINGS

I read the c:net review & would not advise to use some of there settings. EG: brightness on all my sources should be set to 52 as the DVE test DVD shows, so you need to test your own sources with your own screen with a test dvd really to be sure. Standard color is worse than wide accuracy wise thru color filters on my display.
I have re-accessed DVD comparing denon 1920 player at 576p thru hdmi &
PS3 at 720p & 1080p. The 1080p artifact on PS3 i mentioned before after the latest firmware update & new settings at 6ft viewing is no where to be seen unless on test patterns & sitting closer. The image at 1080p gives by far the sharpest image with so much more detail & much less of a blurry filtered look compared to denon 576p.
The Ratatouille DVD trailer really looks in a different league its so much more in focus & detailed. There is no sign of macroblocking like the upscaling of the denon either. Now that the PS3 1080p issue is not a problem as such this should be used over 720p for the best image.
My final settings are:

USING CUSTOM PICTURE:-

PS3 Xbox360 Wii (USA version)
(Games, Blu-ray, DVD) (Games & Hd-Dvd) (Games inc. GCube)
1080p 1080p 480p

BL MIN MIN MIN
CONT MAX MAX MAX
BRIGHT 52 52 52
COLOR 50 50 50
COLOR TEMP WARM 2 WARM 2 WARM 2
SHARP 30 (15 DVD) 30 15
NR OFF OFF OFF
MPEG NR OFF OFF OFF
DRC OFF (N/A) OFF (N/A) ON
(720p games ON)
DRC CUSTOM 100 across, 90 up 100 across, 70 up
BLACK CORR OFF OFF OFF
ADV CONT OFF OFF OFF
GAMMA OFF OFF OFF
CLEAR WHITE OFF OFF OFF
COLOR SPACE WIDE WIDE WIDE
LIVE COLOR LOW LOW LOW or OFF
WHITE BALANCE (-5, 0, -3, -8, -3, -3) SEE LEFT SEE LEFT

DETAIL ENH OFF (LOW - Blu-Ray) OFF (LOW - Hd-Dvd) OFF
EDGE ENH OFF OFF LOW

DISPLAY AREA - 480p (NORMAL, UNLESS OVER HDMI THEN +1)
720p (HDMI +1)
1080p (FULL PIXEL)
ANY BORDERS AROUND GAMES OR MOVIES AT NONE 1080p
WHICH YOU DISLIKE USE NORMAL NOT +1 FOR THESE
MOTION ENHANCER - STANDARD
FILM MODE - AUTO 1
GAME MODE - OFF
ALL OTHER ON THIS AREA ON AUTO

POWER SAVING - HIGH AT ALL TIMES
LIGHT SENSOR - OFF AT ALL TIMES

See what you think of these settings!
The motion enhancer settings gave the best results across the board. From wii to Blu-Ray motion is less blurry a lot lot smoother & gets my vote. Films do not look too video like. I don't think i could play some games without this now its that good.
Regards
SONY X3000/X3500 FAQ-UPDATED 22/09/2007

-How do I find my fanufacturind date and firmware?

Manufacturing date is on a sticker on the back of the screen, and firmware is under set-up|product information

-What are the differences between X3000 and X3500?

These are the same models with only cosmetic differences.In the attachments there are 2 photos showing the X3000 and the X3500.The X3000 can change the color,while the X3500 has dark grey brushed metal finish and cant change color.The X3000 design is the well known floating design same as the X2000,whith the default colour being black

XBOX 360 & PS3 CALIBRATION BY VEGACORTEZ
Just wanted to say that the settings i posted a few pages back are set for my display. Factory settings are different for each set to a degree so my white balance etc could produce very inaccurate results on another tv. The only way to make your tv accurate is to calibrate yourself like i did.
The HCFR software is also excellent, comprehensive enough & very easy to use. Packaged software for the spyder tv i suspect from what i have read is quite simplistic & for me would be of no use. I would recommend the spyder2 express, then download the free HCFR software (english version) & burn to dvd there free test pattern dvd (menu's in french by the way but hardly any screens so no problem at all).
If the hardware in the spyder tv pack is the same as the express pack that is fine as you can still use HCFR with it but if it is not & i am not sure i can't guarantee that HCFR will work with the spyder tv hardware (it only supports certain colorimeters eg: spyder2 hardware)
I actually bought the spyder2 suite version but the express has the same hardware though.
The supplied software with the spyder2 express/suite is for calibrating your pc as it changes the graphics cards settings by putting a file somewhere on your pc, you change no settings on your tv at all.
You need HCFR & its dvd to calibrate the tv for machines eg:pS3 & Xbox360.
Remember that you still need your pc / laptop at hand to run the HCFR software & to plug in the spyder via usb while you calibrate as to read the results as you go along. You change your tv settings & can read real time updates as you change things then you can run a full test again to produce new graphs etc to see what has changed overall.
To re-cap your basic needs to calibrate the tv for PS3, DVD player etc:-
Spyder2 express (cheapest & guaranteed to work with HCFR) - available easily on Ebay
HCFR software & dvd (homecinema-fr: Colorimètre HCFR)
pc & monitor / laptop near to your tv (no need to be on the internet at time)
possible usb 2.0 extension cable (don't exceed around 5m combined spyder cable & extension to be safe)
Regards

Here are some pics from owner

HD TV TEST SETTINGS

http://www.*/news/2007/...3500-settings/
GUIDE - Bravia X3000/x3500 Series SkyHD Remote Codes for autoswitching.

Do the Code "0000" remote input as described in the SkyHD Manual. This gives you the basic features such as Volume and PowerOff.

Unfortunately, the TV doesn't switch to the Sky AV when you select Sky automatically. The "Help" button lets you select which input. So basically you need to program the Sky remote to tell it which AV to use.

(Sincere thanks to "Thecaretaker" from DigitalSpy for his post on his settings 32v2000 Bravia for the next peice):-

To have your Sky remote auto-switch to the correct Bravia AV input.

On your Sky remote:-
press TV
Hold select and help (red light on remote flashes twice)
press help repeatedly (until you find the correct input you want)
press select

Then...
press tv
hold Select and green (red light on remote flashes twice)
press help once (nothing should happen)
press select to store.

Then when you press Sky, TV Guide, Box Office, Services or Interactive button, sky will auto switch to the correct AV

Also, as I said in a previous post, I feel the SkyHD output setting on the x3x00 series is best left to "automatic".

Happy viewing!

GUIDE-THREAD SUMMARY

Yes! After (quite) a number of days I've finally managed to make my way through all 3000 odd posts in this thread.

I thought I'd do a quick summary for anyone else who is in the same position of considering the TV but want to get some opinions from owners:

- almost everyone in the thread agrees that the TV is excellent/amazing etc
- PQ is agreed to be outstanding and some even argue that the sound quality is good/excellent (one poster)
- it's apparently great for football - even in SD (with the right settings)
- even a size of 46" seems to look ok in an "average" sized rooms (there are many example pictures)
- there has only been one instance of a return (I'm sorry but I didn't record the post number). But this is only one instance from the 70/80 people who seem to have the set. As a % some might argure that is high but we need more buyers to get a better sample size
- there is a rumour of a possible price drop at the end of November
- the x3000 is starting to appear for sale (at around £150 cheaper) but there appear to be some stock issues (lots of retailers are saying it won't be in until December). This model is almost identical to the x3500 but it has a changeable/coloured bezel that many agree makes the set look a little cheaper. Everything else on the tv's is identical
- there appear to be very few deals available to those in Ireland
- it's definitely agreed to be worth upgrading from the x2000
- there is a reduced price 5yr warranty available at many retailers until the end of November
- post 3048 has a picture of the remote
- the first post is regularly updated with useful bits like settings, SKY HD remote codes etc.

So there you go - a quick summary. For more detailed information (for example, on pictures, settings, prices etc.) use the search facility.

VESA COMPATIBLE:
It's 300 mm x 200 mm.
__________________
SETTINGS GUIDE

Google Docs - XBR4/5 Settings Matrix
 
J

jupa3

Guest
"Answering to earlier mail from Mazinger7"

I have exactly the same problem with 40X3500 as you have , after 10 or 15 minutes TV starts warming, and torching effects comes from top corners.

After your mail I send and email to sony support, and they said that internal cooler can be adjusted in service menu. They asked to contact sony service for this operation.
 

Betamax_man

Active Member
Mazinger7 said:
Hey guys (first post). Anyway, i have a T1 40X3500 for a couple of months now. No smearing issues whatsoever BUT i do have a terrible case of flashlight/torchlight effect in the upper corners of the set . When i turn on the TV, the problem is nonexistent but after 30-40 min. it becomes a real pain in the .... If i turn the TV off and let it cool down a bit, the flashlight/torchlight disappears. Obviously, heating of the panel seems to be the case for my set.
The reason for posting is that when the TV is on for a long period of time (more than 6 hours), i can hear the internal fans of the TV working (the famous fan noise problem). When this happens, the flashlight problem is not really an issue anymore . I only hear the TV fans working after really long sessions, not when the TV is on for only 2-3 hours. I also read in another forum than Sony reduced the x3500 fans voltage from 12v to 5v in a later firmware due to fan noise complains.
My TV is a new set without the fan noise (at least not for the first 6 hours lol )so i have reasons to believe that i must have a newer firmware and that the TV's fans are under-performing.
My question is this (and I'm terribly sorry for the long post), can i use an older firmware to make the fans work at full capacity (12v) all the time? If yes do you know where to find it. Or do you know if i can access the TV's fans from the service menu?
I don't really mind the noise, i just want to get rid of the flashlight effect.
Any help would be really appreciated,
Thank You very much for your time.

P.S. (I already found a way to fix the issue by myself by placing 2 120mm PC case fans at the back of the set, will post pics l8er if anyone is interested, but I'd rather let the TV fans deal with the problem, if i have a choice )

I would have your TV either repaired or replaced. It is not normal to have to place fans at the rear, or increase the inbuilt fans' speed. Contact the retailer you bought your TV from, or an authorised Sony repair agent. It maybe better to wait 'till after the festive period, as repair could take up to four weeks.

John.
 

Mazinger7

Standard Member
I would have your TV either repaired or replaced. It is not normal to have to place fans at the rear, or increase the inbuilt fans' speed. Contact the retailer you bought your TV from, or an authorised Sony repair agent. It maybe better to wait 'till after the festive period, as repair could take up to four weeks.

John.

Thank you John :smashin:, but i already sent it to the official service and they told me that there is nothing wrong with it :confused::mad::mad:. I told them about the flashlight problem and they said there is nothing they could do :nono:. I feel a bit :( and :mad: about the whole thing but what can you do.... If they said they can't repair or replace it then there isn't anything else you can do:rolleyes:.
I know that placing fans isn't the best solution since you have to manually turn them on every time, but they do increase overall air flow in the unit and they do help a lot in reducing the torchlight effect to almost no noticeable levels. (maybe that is why Sony had such strong fans in the first place and everyone complained..... who knows???)
I spent the first two months just being :mad:#$%&$:mad: about my new TV, but I'd rather start enjoying :) an overall very good TV despite the fact that it has i bit of a flashlight/torchlight problem (besides i figured a solution so it's cool now :))

I know things like that shouldn't exist in the first place so maybe I'll give it another go at another Sony service or my retailer.
Thank you very much again for your consideration:thumbsup:
Cheers :D
 

Betamax_man

Active Member
Mazinger7: You really need to go back to the retailer to complain. State to them that the TV is 'not fit for purpose' and demand that it is repaired. After all, your contract is with the retailer, not Sony.

John.
 

kdx

Standard Member
Okay, this might be a silly question but here goes... on the spreadsheet link above can I use the suggested 46XBR4 settings on my KDL46X3500? Are they the same sets? :confused: :suicide:

Some of the links on original post don't work as I guess it was cut and pasted from the original thread.

Also my set has some clouding on the left bottom corner and bit on the right side too. I would be interested in hearing if anyone got their set repaired and what was done. I think the problem is difficult to describe as you can only see it on mine in a darkened room. So wonder how I can describe it when some technician looks at it in there workshop and reads the notes I would provide? :confused:
 

retro41

Active Member
try loosening the screws around the troubled area, helped wonders for my clouding

settings are a hard thing to nail down because not everyone has the same ambient light, viewing space etc. took me a while to get the optimal settings for my viewing, to my tastes
 

kdx

Standard Member
Thanks for the reply. Currently I am trying the HDTV website settings as linked in the original post. I find Power Saving set to "Low" makes the picture too dark. This, in a darkened room, how I watch my set.

Regarding loosening the screws, I have read about that in the original thread and thought about doing it, but then I have the 5 year guarantee, now 4 year remaining on the set, so don't won't to make it obvious. I have booked the set for repairs after the festive period, but might give it a go. TBH - I don't like the idea of them taking my spotless telly and returning the set in worse condition :eek: So might have to give it a try ;)
 

Mazinger7

Standard Member
KDX: Clouding and Flashlight/Torchlight issues can only be seen in a dark environment and a relatively dark scene or picture must be displayed in your TV in order to see the problem. I would recommend advising the technicians to view your TV in a completely dark room while playing a DVD/B-Ray with dark scenes (Dark City maybe?) They could use blackish pictures, but in my TV's case (40X3500) (and yours probably) , when a dark picture is displayed for a couple of seconds then the set's back-light is automatically reduced to minimum levels and it's really hard to see clouding and flashlight problems then (at least that is the case in my set). ( Btw, does anyone know how to disable that feature , thnx :))

I really hope they fix your clouding issues :) .
If they don't, try retro41's advice. Worst case scenario you can use my lame PC-case-fan-fix-advise :D lol (wouldn't advice you though :)).
Cheers m8:thumbsup: and Good Luck:smashin:
 

kdx

Standard Member
Thanks Mazinger7 for your well wishes on the repair :smashin:
Hoping I can cancel the pick-up with the screw loosening idea or anything else someone might suggest ;)
Oh yes, my set does go dark(er) when viewing a dark scene for a few seconds. There is a setting which is under Setting-->Video Settings-->"Game/Text Mode" that can be put 'On'. I think this stops it doing that specifically for games set in a dark environment etc, although I have not tried or know of any disadvantages. I've just read it here and through the links provided. So maybe someone in the know can advise further :cool:

Cheers :)
 

[email protected]

Standard Member
Hey all, I've got pretty bad black clouding on the bottom right of my screen. Who do I go to to get this sorted out? Also, the 5 year guarantee — do I need to fill out any paperwork to get it? Mine supposedly came with it but I never filled anything out and now can't find the paperwork. Did I need to?
 

Mazinger7

Standard Member
[email protected]: My set came with a 4 year warranty, i asked my retailer and they told me that i only need my receipt, i didn't have to sign anything. I had mine serviced (Sony official service) a couple of months ago and i just gave them a photocopy of my receipt and they didn't charge me anything :thumbsup:. (Although they didn't fix my flashlight problem, so my TV only ended up going for a nice ride:thumbsdow)
I would advise you to make a call to your retailer just in case, but if you have your receipt i think you are covered:).
As for your clouding problem, i think you should have technicians from Sony look at it, and you should also have a word with your retailer (it didn't do me any good:mad: but maybe you have better luck:smashin:).

OK:) hope you get rid of your Clouding prob.
Cheers:hiya:
 

kdx

Standard Member
Hi Peops :)

I have another question, this time regarding the screws on the back of KDL-46X3500. As explained a bit earlier, I am now contemplating the idea of loosening the screws to see if it helps with the clouding around the edges. The thing is, they seemed to be paired. A standard phillips screw and one of those hexagonal types. I'm assuming one holds the glass type surround and the other the back to the set/screen. But which is which? :confused: Did a search in the other thread but no joy.

Any advice on this matter or related appreciated. Thanks :)
 

Betamax_man

Active Member
If you leave any sign of screws being loosened, you may invalidate your warranty (but only if the repairer spots this:D).
 

kdx

Standard Member
That is the single reason I haven't tried. BUT I thought I could be careful until I spotted that the screws are paired and have no idea which one loosens the panel and which the surround glass type thing :confused:

Apart from the clouding, the LCD screen and set are mint. Being a 46inch which they'd collect, I'm worried it might not return spotless and then I'll/we'll be involved in more headaches trying to prove any damage done. I'm not an optomist when it comes such things :blush:
 

retro41

Active Member
Unless you totally de-thread the screw heads it will be fine
 

stu33y

Standard Member
I wonder if anyone can advise on a problem I'm experiencing?

I've owned my 46X3000 for approx 10 months now and had no troubles until recently. I'm not quite sure how to describe what's happening but I've noticed that, on standard definition content, motion on the screen is frequently loosing smoothness, with parts of any moving images become noticeably more pixelated. It comes and goes irregularly.

Perhaps the best example I can give is when watching a channel with a scrolling news ticker (or even just the credits on the end of any show which run vertically) - every now and then the motion of the text will stop being smooth and become jerky/jagged.

It seems to happen on both the in-built Freeview picture and pictures from my Sky HD box connected via HDMI. It doesn't matter which of the 3 Motion Enhancer settings is on. The problem does not occur when viewing HD content. I could swear the problem is happening more frequently that it used to, so I am worried that if I leave it the whole thing could pack up...

Is this one of the known issues and should I do something about it before my one year warranty expires?

Many thanks for your advice...

Stu33y
 

ujn2

Standard Member
Hey,

I have a question.

When ever I enter TEXT mode then there are a approx 1 second where the TV cuts the sound. This also happens when exiting TEXT.

Is there any way to fix this?
 

Robbie1988

Standard Member
I wonder if anyone can advise on a problem I'm experiencing?

I've owned my 46X3000 for approx 10 months now and had no troubles until recently. I'm not quite sure how to describe what's happening but I've noticed that, on standard definition content, motion on the screen is frequently loosing smoothness, with parts of any moving images become noticeably more pixelated. It comes and goes irregularly.

Perhaps the best example I can give is when watching a channel with a scrolling news ticker (or even just the credits on the end of any show which run vertically) - every now and then the motion of the text will stop being smooth and become jerky/jagged.

It seems to happen on both the in-built Freeview picture and pictures from my Sky HD box connected via HDMI. It doesn't matter which of the 3 Motion Enhancer settings is on. The problem does not occur when viewing HD content. I could swear the problem is happening more frequently that it used to, so I am worried that if I leave it the whole thing could pack up...

Is this one of the known issues and should I do something about it before my one year warranty expires?

Many thanks for your advice...

Stu33y

Stu33y, I have the same TV as you and I think this is problem with most LCD screens. I noticed it ever since I bought the TV 6 months ago. This seems to happen during scrolling text (eg. Saturday's latest football results) from right to left. The larger fonts the TV seems to handle,it's the smaller ones I noticed there is some smear or sometimes it tends to 'shake'.

Rob
 
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Sami_S

Guest
Stupid question I know, but gotta ask anyway(!!)

Just got a 40X3500 and checked the boot count.
Says 02792-00000-02793

Which I'm taking as meaning its had nearly 2800hrs of operation.
Does that seem right, or should the figures all be around the 0 mark?

Appreciate quick reply as I will take back to the shop otherwise.

Thanks
 
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Sami_S

Guest
Just had confirmation they sold me a ex-display model!

NOT HAPPY :-(
 
P

psx1

Guest
Stupid question I know, but gotta ask anyway(!!)

Just got a 40X3500 and checked the boot count.
Says 02792-00000-02793

Which I'm taking as meaning its had nearly 2800hrs of operation.
Does that seem right, or should the figures all be around the 0 mark?

Appreciate quick reply as I will take back to the shop otherwise.

Thanks


how did you checked the boot count ?
 
S

Sami_S

Guest
There's a post telling you how it's done (I'll find it and link to it shortly).

On the Sony remote supplied;

Put the TV into standby mode (top right green button)

Now press the following buttons in quick succession;
Black button (top left on remote)
5 (channel button)
- (volume button)
power button (top right green button)

TV should come out of standby and start displaying whatever it was before you put it into standby.
But the top left corrner gets covered with a diagnostics screen.

Its the bottom line which you need looking at, reading something like;
00000-00000-00000

I think the 1st lot is total power on time
Not sure what the next lot is
3rd lot is total panel usage time

I'll find the links and edit the post, but that should keep you going for now.
 

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