Sony VPL-VW320ES Owners thread

pugheaven

Active Member
WARNING: In My Opinion, do NOT use firmware v2.301 or it will break HDR. Use v2.302 which is perfect!

Well, as there isn't one and the 320 is quite a bit different to the 300 I believe in PQ, just thought I'd start this up. As this PJ has been out for a while I'm sure that there's alot of people with this one as it's the "budget" one over the 520.

Be interesting to hear peoples views now that this PJ has had further updates with HDR etc (which I rate, see below).

So, to start, this is my setup at the moment for both 4k and I use a seperate setup for Full HD. Using a Panny 700 for the 4k and a seperate Sony for Bluray. Once the cinema room is complete late this year, it'll be going down there and will be pro calibrated, but for now in the living room using 100" this is the current settings. I've used mainly my eye and then when I think it looks pretty, I've then used the test patterns off R.Masciola's Advanced Calibration Disc... haven't got the knowledge for amending much else or equipment, however this will do me for now. Have to say though, out the box this is superb setup, normally the standard settings are so far out it's untrue.

In summary, I'm astounded. Been using this for 3 months (had to send last one back due to fauly in HDR), hence the low hours on this one. in 4k, it's sensational as to be expected assuming you have good 4k discs. I've used the following upto now; Sing, Assasins Creed, Point Break, Passengers (superb colour and PQ), The Magnificent Seven (lovely and lush BUT problems with sky in certain scenes under HDR), Everest (Astounding), (Hacksaw Ridge, sensational in most areas), (Trolls used this to control the colours), GhostBusters 1/2 and new one, Life Of Pie, The Martian (tons of detail not so sure on the use of colour!), The Maz Runner (quite surprised with this how nice it looked clean yet filmic), Kingsmen (very very detailed), Miss Perrigrin (have to admit, this being reference disc quality) and of course The Revernant. Messed around with all sorts of settings using this lot... and the only one that was appalling was Suicide Squad... colours all over the place and couldn't use this to calibrate at all.

As for calibrating Bluray, used Casino Royale as always, great use of colour and close ups for focus and Elysium once again for same reasons.

In Elysium I have to admit, that if someone had said this was 4k I'd have believed them, same with Thin red Line... on Bluray, both abosolute stunners and shows that there's plenty of life in "old" 1080. However, I WOULD have the PJ upscale using reality creation which blows the upscaling in both my bluray player and the UHD player by some way, as in I could do the pepsi challenge.

Right now, even though this cost me a fortune, I couldn't be anymore happy with it.

Software Version: 2.302
Lamp Timer: 31 Hours

4k UHD:
Reality Creation: On
Cinema Black Pro: High
MotionFlow: Off
Contrast (HDR): 90
Brightness: 46
Colour: 50
Hue: 50
Colour Temp: D75
Sharpness: 30
Colour Correction: Off
Clear White: Off
HDR: On
Colour Space: BT.2020

Full HD:
Reality Creation: On
Cinema Black Pro: Low
MotionFlow: True Cinema
Contrast: 87
Brightness: 41
Colour: 44
Hue: 50
Colour Temp: D75
Sharpness: 30
NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Smooth Graduation: Low
Colour Correction: Off
Clear White: Low
x.v.Colour: On
Colour Space: BT.709
Input Lag Reduction: Off

All other settings are at their default values. Only done manual calibration using my own eyes and some patterns and the picture is superb.

  1. HDR for me, gives a noticable improvement to the depth of the screen, borderline 3D effect. So for this alone, HDR wins over SDR. Rather than looking at a flat detailed imagine, I'm now seeing a 3D detailed image... it's hard to tell but from the first 2 pictures below, hope you guys can see what I mean... look at the snow below DeCaprio... there's a depth to the shading. More of a textured look to it same with other areas.
  2. HDR does lose some detail in dark areas of the screen (see middle tree in first two pictures!). Whether this is a limiation of this PJ or I may need some more calibration we will find out in due course. However, in other lighter areas i.e. snow or land or sky, you seem to get a load more detail than you ever get with SDR. Although theres plus and minus's for both, I will put up with the loss of dark area detail for more clarity in the lighter parts of the screen. I suppose the PJ is counterbalancing overall picture to allow the bright "HDR Pings". However in a very dark film, it may be that you lose too much data, time will tell and maybe this needs the professional calibration!
  3. HDR colours are by far and away more vibrant and natural. Also, you do get that "lens flare" effect where certain scenes just pop with brightness... it's a really odd sensation at first but once you've seen it, SDR really just looks very flat tbh.
  4. Where I need to improve HDR is in the reds. I've found on Planet Earth 2 that during the volcano section that the lava is almost luminous and too saturated... too red yet in every other scene it's spot on. It's a kind of unatural look to the red is what I'm saying and that needs to be ironed out for me.
I've took a couple of pictures to show my screens, obviously you can't get the true quality on a phone camera, however, have to say, I'll be staying with HDR for now. Make of these what you will and this was after 90 minutes of tinkering etc... not perfect but getting there considering not using any calibration tools.

HDR OFF
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HDR ON
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HDR OFF
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HDR ON
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mikemag

Distinguished Member
Thanks for taking the time to share settings and the pictures in particular look gorgeous.

You might want to edit the first line though 'cos I think you mean that the 320 is quite a bit different to the 300 :)
 

HarperVision

Active Member
If you're losing dark detail, where the Sony's shine, then you definitely need to redo or have a pro come in for the calibration.
 

pugheaven

Active Member
If you're losing dark detail, where the Sony's shine, then you definitely need to redo or have a pro come in for the calibration.
Well, it's when you enable HDR, it darkens the overall picture and you lose detail in shadows, as soon as you turn HDR off, it's perfect... I believe this will always be a problem.
 

Casi36

Novice Member
For correcting the Contrast(HDR) setting you can use any Sony Pictures 4K-Bluray with an Hidden Menu feature. Push the number buttons 7669 when the start menu of the Sony Pictures 4K-Bluray is displaying. At chapters 20 and 21 in the Hidden Feature you've the 1000nits and above test patterns to set your values. I've set the Contrast(HDR) level to 70. Here's a older video with the VW520 (german language): www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6Shlus-e0
 

Casi36

Novice Member
Here are my settings for the VW320 with a Stewart 100"- Firehawk G4:

Software Version: 2.302 Lamp Timer: 131 Hours
4k UHD:
Reality Creation (On): Resolution 40 / Noise Filtering Min
Cinema Black Pro: Lamp Mode High / Contrast Enhancer: Off
MotionFlow: Off
Contrast (HDR): 70
Brightness: 51
Colour: 52
Hue: 50
Colour Temp: D65
Sharpness: Min
Colour Correction: On
Clear White: Off
HDR: Auto
Colour Space: BT.2020

Full HD:
Reality Creation (On): Resolution 30 / Noise Filtering Min
Cinema Black Pro: Lamp Mode Low / Contrast Enhancer: Middle
MotionFlow: True Cinema
Contrast: 88
Brightness: 44
Colour: 52
Hue: 50
Colour Temp: D65
Sharpness: Min
NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Smooth Graduation: Middle
Colour Correction: On
Clear White: Low
x.v.Colour: Off
Colour Space: BT.709
Input Lag Reduction: Off
 
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HarperVision

Active Member
Well, it's when you enable HDR, it darkens the overall picture and you lose detail in shadows, as soon as you turn HDR off, it's perfect... I believe this will always be a problem.

It's not the dark detail that you're losing. It just needs to be recalibrated to the proper level again for HDR so it can be seen properly again.

You should be able to adjust the Contrast (HDR) slider upwards to find the right tone balance for your setup and tastes. This shouldn't affect your black and White reference points, it just increases the mid-tones in between.

Follow Casi36's advice. You can also buy the Masciola's 4K HDR patterns for $29 US which are an invaluable tool for HDR calibration.
 

pugheaven

Active Member
For correcting the Contrast(HDR) setting you can use any Sony Pictures 4K-Bluray with an Hidden Menu feature. Push the number buttons 7669 when the start menu of the Sony Pictures 4K-Bluray is displaying. At chapters 20 and 21 in the Hidden Feature you've the 1000nits and above test patterns to set your values. I've set the Contrast(HDR) level to 70. Here's a older video with the VW520 (german language): www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6Shlus-e0
Right ok, nice one, I'll try it on my 4k Labyrinth disc as that's a Sony as are the Ghostbusters. Will let you know what happens tonight cheers fella
 

pugheaven

Active Member
It's not the dark detail that you're losing. It just needs to be recalibrated to the proper level again for HDR so it can be seen properly again.

You should be able to adjust the Contrast (HDR) slider upwards to find the right tone balance for your setup and tastes. This shouldn't affect your black and White reference points, it just increases the mid-tones in between.

Follow Casi36's advice. You can also buy the Masciola's 4K HDR patterns for $29 US which are an invaluable tool for HDR calibration.
Ok after using all the tools, there is still loss of detail within the HDR no matter what setting you use. I'm happy enough as I'll sacrifice a small amount of detail in the shadows for the three dimensional picture I now have under HDR and the better use of colours.

On another subject, I wonder if you can use the lamp out the 520ES (LMP-H280 280w) and slap it in the 320ES (normally uses the LMP-H220 bulb 225w)??? They look exactly the same apart form power output and I'm not convinced there's much if any difference between the 320/520 probably explaning why the 520 is now discontinued?
 
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BaileyBob

Active Member
Hi all,

I work for an AV installations company and I'm after info regarding the lamp life people are getting out of the 320.

As you know sony claim 6000 hrs on the lamp, I understand this will be on low power mode and other picture settings set lower but I would be expecting at least 3000 hrs minimum on other settings.

What are you guys seeing for Lamp life and what settings are you using?

I only ask as we have installed six and 5 have already had to have the lamps swapped, all of these below 2800, two of them at 1600 hrs and two around 2200 hrs.
We are seeing the LED indicator flash 3 times which indicates end or service life or over temp.
We thought it may have over temp as some projectors were turning on for a min then going off but after a lamp swap this was fine!

I think there may be an issue somewhere!!
Have you tried getting hold of the Lamps as Sony are struggling to send enough out to distributors, lead times of 2-3 weeks at, JP uk, just lamps, marata and a couple of other online retailers.

What are your thoughts.

Thanks
Chris.
 
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BaileyBob

Active Member
Hi all,

I work for an AV installations company and I'm after info regarding the lamp life people are getting out of the 320.

As you know sony claim 6000 hrs on the lamp, I understand this will be on low power mode and other picture settings set lower but I would be expecting at least 3000 hrs minimum on other settings.

What are you guys seeing for Lamp life and what settings are you using?

I only ask as we have installed six and 5 have already had to have the lamps swapped, all of these below 2800, two of them at 1600 hrs and two around 2200 hrs.
We are seeing the LED indicator flash 3 times which indicates end or service life or over temp.
We thought it may have over temp as some projectors were turning on for a min then going off but after a lamp swap this was fine!

I think there may be an issue somewhere!!
Have you tried getting hold of the Lamps as Sony are struggling to send enough out to distributors, lead times of 2-3 weeks at, JP uk, just lamps, marata and a couple of other online retailers.

What are your thoughts.

Thanks
Chris.

Has no one had to change the lamp yet?
 

pugheaven

Active Member
Hi there, no mines pretty new so can't help you fella, however I do hoep your reports aren't the default... as that's not great at all. Also, from your experience do you think the same lamp used in the 520 can and will fit the 320?
 

BaileyBob

Active Member
Hi there, no mines pretty new so can't help you fella, however I do hoep your reports aren't the default... as that's not great at all. Also, from your experience do you think the same lamp used in the 520 can and will fit the 320?

Thanks for the feedback.

I don't know if the lamp will work/fit but I will have a guess and say no!

Its fact they are different Lamp codes,different lumens and different wattage.

We may be installing a 550 in the next month, if so and time depending I will check.

Cheers
 

Jamester

Novice Member
Hi all,

First post on here but been lurking for a while. Just got a shiny Apple TV 4K arrive this morning, all ready to hook up my Yamaha 3070 and Sony VW320ES. Firmware updated to 2.302 (after some challenges).

4K display all good, but having no luck at all enabling HDR. Apple TV will just blank out screen and then go back to earlier settings. XBox One S also does not pick up that the projector is capable of HDR either.

Settings on Sony set up exactly as above, as well as forcing HDMI to full Dynamic Range. Have connected Apple TV directly to projector HDMI 2 to rule out Amp interfering, and also now used a very short HDMI cable as well.

I feel I've got a fantastic potential system here, but really frustrated I can't get HDR working.

Any ideas?
 

ianoakley

Member
Can anyone suggest a fix for this issue. I have a Sky mini box connected to the projector via my Onkyo amp. No problem watching 3d movies on my Oppo 203 but the projector does not recognise 3d on the Sky box so I cannot change the setting to side by side. Very strange! I did record some 3d broadcasts from the BBC so thought I’d try them in the Oppo but same results. The 3d settings on the projector only become active if it recognises a 3d source so i’m really stumped on this issue.
 

Climatoribus

Novice Member
Hi all,

First post on here but been lurking for a while. Just got a shiny Apple TV 4K arrive this morning, all ready to hook up my Yamaha 3070 and Sony VW320ES. Firmware updated to 2.302 (after some challenges).

4K display all good, but having no luck at all enabling HDR. Apple TV will just blank out screen and then go back to earlier settings. XBox One S also does not pick up that the projector is capable of HDR either.

Settings on Sony set up exactly as above, as well as forcing HDMI to full Dynamic Range. Have connected Apple TV directly to projector HDMI 2 to rule out Amp interfering, and also now used a very short HDMI cable as well.

I feel I've got a fantastic potential system here, but really frustrated I can't get HDR working.

Any ideas?

Hi, i'm facing challenges myself trying to update to 2.302. How did you manage it? I've tried multiple formats on the usb thumb drive both mbr and guid fat32, exfat and hfs, always copying the created directory to the root drive and nothing else. Any clues?
 

Climatoribus

Novice Member
Hi, i'm facing challenges myself trying to update to 2.302. How did you manage it? I've tried multiple formats on the usb thumb drive both mbr and guid fat32, exfat and hfs, always copying the created directory to the root drive and nothing else. Any clues?

Hi, wanted to point out that I've managed to update by extracting the zip file using keka on mac. Also used a 4gb thumb drive mbr fat 32. Not sure which did it, but I'd by placing my bets on keka.

Still can't make 4k HDR content display on this projector using a yamaha RXV-583 updated to the last firmware (1.28) and apple tv 4k also on latest firmware (11.2.1). I'll be exchanging cables from appletv to receiver. should I also replace the cable running from the receiver to the projector? It's a monster cable. Used to run it on my previous 1080p setup with no problems (oppo receiver and panasonic PT-ae8000u projector)
 
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pugheaven

Active Member
Sorry not been on in months. Did you manage to sort your problems guys?
Still absolutely loving mine, absolute perfection although massivly dissapointed with 50% of all 4k discs released!
 

kriven

Novice Member
Hi team
hope you are well still wonder to found on the net some advice to fine tune the HDR on VW320ES..never succeed with Samsung player with strong red color ... i am trying with PS4 PRO and having the same .. does someone reached a good configuration here?
thanks
 

Phil3345

Active Member
Hi all
Hope one of you can help .I have the flashing red light 3 times so it should be a lamp rest.i have done the reset left right enter a lot of times .Ive done it quick ly slowly and to no avail.Any suggestions please ?
 

BaileyBob

Active Member
Hi all
Hope one of you can help .I have the flashing red light 3 times so it should be a lamp rest.i have done the reset left right enter a lot of times .Ive done it quick ly slowly and to no avail.Any suggestions please ?

I bet the lamp has failed, how old is the lamp and how many hours has it done.
 

BaileyBob

Active Member
Does the projector turn on so you can get to the main menu?

I'm only asking as we have installed 6x 320ES projectors and everyone has had a lamp fail between 1600 and 2100 lamp hours, each time the projector fails to fire up.
 

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