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  1. johna

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    After seeing this advertised for 1499.99 I was wondering if anyone has one and can give any views on it's performance purely for HC.

    Many Thanks

    John
     
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    Hi John,

    I bought one of these on Saturday from PC World (argh!) and it's great. It seems to have everything you need (s-video, composite, component), and nothing you don't. The picture from a good source is excellent, especially in controlled lighting. It's also pretty quiet.

    Be aware that it's a discontinued model, but that just means you get it cheap!

    When I asked a regular kit supplier how much they could do it for, he came up with a best price of £2500 and they're normally competitive. When I told him I could get it for £1500, he said "bite their hand off".

    And you can get 9 month's interest free.

    Go for it!
     
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    Just found this at <a href="http://www.sonypresentation.com" target="_blank">www.sonypresentation.com</a> <br />LMP-C120 <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Projector lamp for VPL-CS1, VPL-CX1 and VPL-CS2 <br />To Buy: £262.50 (Exc. VAT)

    If you do a search for VPL-CX1 you can read up on the technical side of this projector. Also it's £1,299 at pcworld.
     
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    Thanks for the update Tim. The price has dropped £200 in the last couple of days since I bought it. I've also noticed that mine has 3 dead (bright green) pixels. So now I'm off down to PC World to have some of their legendary customer service.......
     
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    Blast. Can't fault them. They had a look at the old one, saw the dead pixels and gave me a new one for £1299.

    I was really up for a fight as well......

    Hell of a projector for £1300.
     
  6. johna

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    Noel

    What do you mean by dead pixles? Is that hugely noticable? <br />I noticed a few green and reds showing through but nothing major.

    I gotta say the image is really good - much better than I thought - Can't wait to hook it up properly on a nice screen.

    Glad to hear you got it at the discounted price.
     
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    Hi John,

    There were around 8 very bright green dots on the screen, whatever the input, and I had a chat with the Sony helpline who confirmed that they were dead pixels. Not sure what causes it, but once you've seen them, you can't stop looking at them!

    If the bits you can see aren't that bright, it's probably just dust, adn if it doesn't affect your viewing enjoyment, don't worry.

    Good picture, though, eh?
     
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    I don't think mine are then

    Great Picture - just out of interest do you now anywhere that does good quality electric screens?
     
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    Trying to find that out - see "Screen Quality" thread......
     
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    Noel & John take a look <a href="http://www.dalite.com/new.php" target="_blank">here</a> they seem pretty good value, the model b seem's a good price.<br />I have really been tempted to go for one of these projector's, but I am off on Holiday soon, so there's no budget left. <br />Noel, you got great service from pcworld, cant believe you got £200 back as well <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> have you noticed any dead pixel's on your replacement lcd. Also can you give us a quick review? I have seen the Sanyo plv-30 going, and was nocked out by the image quality of this lcd, but it's £2,300.
     
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    OK, I'll try.

    It's very easy to set up, took me about 5 mins. Menus are very intuitive, but be aware that you can't invert the image. Also, if you mount the projector higher than the screen, you might get a "reverse keystone" effect (i.e. the bottom of the image is wider than the top). This can't be corrected by the keystone correction as it only works the other way!

    The picture is really very good, especially for £1300, with no screen door or line structure visible (current screen is 5 feet wide and I sit about 10 feet away). I watched Toy Story 2 last night and was blown away (DVD, S-Video connection). Can't report on component as I have no suitable source, although the CX1 takes a component feed.

    It's plenty bright enough if you can control ambient light, but it does wash out as the light levels increase (550 lumens). I wouldn't let this put you off, though, just control the light!

    Composite video is pretty good too, although it's clearly inferior to s-video. Also, make sure you use a good composite connection. I use a good co-ax terminated with gold phono plugs, but when I introduced a splitter (for Playstation plus VCR), the decrease in quality was dramatic.

    The fan is pretty quiet, but still audible. I made a box to go over the projector with what I thought was enough ventilation, but it rapidly got too hot. Adequte ventilation required!

    I think I have a couple of dead pixels, but they're not that intrusive and I'll have to learn to live with them as I got the last CX1!

    My screen isn't great, it's a matt white pull-down, and I'm on the lookout for a better, probably grey, one which should increase the quality further.

    In summary, you're looking at buying a small, quiet, modern projector with an original rrp of £4k for £1300! Go and bite someone's arm off!

    Hope this helps,

    Noel
     
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    Should also point out that even 24 hours later, I'm still shocked by the PC World service. It must have been because I went in at 9.00am and got hold of a manager straight away. It must have been an accident.
     
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    Noel, Thank's for the review, it sound'a like you are very pleased with your choice of projector. One question, How do you find the black's when the room is totally blacked out? I believe it has a dynamic black level setting to help out with black's. I saw the Sanyo plv-30 and I was well impressed with the black's, but like you say, if you get stray light it does wash out the picture on the side of the screen where the light is coming from.
     
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    Hi Tim,

    I would rate the black as OK. LCD's never get a good black (although the cinema black mode does make it better) and my screen is a cheapish white one. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment, but I've got a demo of a Stewart Greyhawk next week. This screen is supposed to dramatically improve contrast and black for LCD so we'll see how it goes. The CX1 really is an outstanding buy for £1300. You won't be disappointed.
     
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    Noel, Will the demo of the Greyhawk be with your projector? and what size of screen are you looking at. Is the Greyhawk expensive?<br />I have heard of screen manufacturers giving out piece's of screen so you can test them side by sife at home, has anyone else heard of this.<br />Do you know the contrast ratio of the Cx1

    Keep us updated.

    Cheer's

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    Did you demo the quality of the display too?, when I went to PC world they had the CX1/CS3 and the EPSON EMP-50 . Anyone seen any of these displays and care to comment which is the best?.

    thanks

    p.s I have a 70"x47" whiteboard would this be ok to project an image on to it?. Im also thinking of perhaps going for a second hand CRT projector now due to comments about screendoor effect/rainbow problems with DLP and dead pixels not to mention the pixelisation problems with LCD projectors..decisions/choices :!
     
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    JR, No, pcworld did not have these projector's setup, they were just on the shelf to have a touch.<br />Whiteboard's, are you talking about the one's you use white board marker pen's on, if so we have them at work and they seem a bit to shiny for my liking, you would probably best just starting off with matt white emulsioned wall until you can decide what screen you want. That's what I would do.
     
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    Yes its one of those boards for teaching <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> , do you think it would be possible to paint the surface say a white or grey matte?. Although I`ve seen a screen in PC World for 99 pounds 1250mm square which should be ok?.

    Although I read somewhere that there was a particular type of screen which helped with mattes.

    Anyway I might be buying the Sony CX1 soon, if I can get it demoed!.
     
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    Just seen the cx1 at pcworld, excellant build quality, but didn't like the power cord which plug's into the front where the flap close's, meaning you have to unplug to shut the lense cover.<br />I wonder how good the cs3 is for £1700.
     
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    JR, you could try <a href="http://www.dalite.com/new.php" target="_blank">here</a> they seem to have good low priced pull down screen's (modelb) I'm no expert but they do seem to be at reasonable price's.<br />I dont have a projector yet, but will one day (I hope) <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
     
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    Hi guys,

    Tim, yes I will be demoing the Grey Hawk with my own projector, and it will be 6 feet wide (any bigger and I think I'll start to see the pixels, plus I only sit around 12 feet away. It costs around £1500.......gulp! Contrast ratio for CX1 is 400:1.

    JR, if I were you, I'd get a proper screen. You can pick one up from an audio visual supplier for around £100 depending on size and the picture will be much better than a board, or a wall.<br />As for the CX1/CS2/EMP50, I believe the CX1 is by a good way the best projector. It is the only one with XGA resolution (750 TV lines) - this is a good link to explain - <a href="http://www.projectorcentral.com/consultants_corner.cfm?ci=svga_xga." target="_blank">www.projectorcentral.com/consultants_corner.cfm?ci=svga_xga.</a> The Epson has more brightness (1000 lumens), but has a much louder fan (42dB - nightmare!). The CS2 is lower down the range than the CX1 (CS2 is SVGA) with similar brightness and fan noise (36dB). Both the Sonys are discontinued (not sure about the Epson), but the CX1 is cheaper. CRT will give better picture quality, but at more cost and it will need to be professionally installed. Only you can decide if it's worth it!

    PC World make it very difficult to demo anything, and they will only project onto a wall or the back of a poster. They also won't let you return anything if the packaging has been opened! Your best bet is to do your homework, try and find somewhere with demo facilities to check out each, then buy the one you like best. Only problem is, there might not be any CX1's left when you've done it!

    Have a look at the avsforum:

    <a href="http://www.avsforum.com/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro" target="_blank">www.avsforum.com/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro</a>

    for more info on projectors and screens.

    Happy hunting!

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    Of course, CS2 above means CS3! Sorry!
     
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    Having got mine up and running at the weekend (only on to a wall however) I found the projector excellent - it was bright enough to set the brightness levels low to enhance the blacks while setting the contrast high, I found I could achieve pretty spot on blacks (obviously no where near CRT levels) - 'Pitch Black' the movie looked very good indeed.

    I also think the trow is good - from 7 feet I managed to achieve a 72inch screen.

    Can't wait to get my screen now.

    John

    Noel - how are you running your Video source (ie cable/vcr) to your projector - I tried using a SCART to S-VIDEO convertor however my cable/vcr doesn't output S-VIDEO only RGB or COMPOSITE so I got a Black and White picture!
     
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    John,

    I have one s-video and one composite video cable going to the CX1. The s-video carries DVD and the composite (switched via preamp) carries Satellite, TV and Playstation
     
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    John, You said you get pretty good black's, I wish you hadn't said that, you are making me feel more like I should have bought one last weekend.

    John & Noel,what do you think of the detail resolution for this lcd? a good test if you have The Fifth elemant is to check out the sceen where the girl jump's from the building, there's a cop car with police in the back seat, can you see them in the back seat? (inside the car sceen)some projectors you cant see them.<br />Also can you see stars in any space sceen's from any sci-fi dvd.

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    Decisions, decisions!, after reading a lot about projectors it seems the CX1 is the one to go for it its your first projector for home cinema. What screen do you recommend, as I would like the best blacks if possible, although if its expensive I will probably get a cheaper (100 pounds?) screen for now.

    What does the windows desktop look like when projected onto a wall?, is it clear usuable even?, or is it blurry? (I remember the old projectors!). Im hoping I can output cable digital tv to the projector though not sure how good that will look?. I`ll be running it alongside a home theatre PC perhaps with dscaler as I have a winTV card.

    How does it compare with say the Toshiba 40wh0b RPTV as I was looking at that before thinking about a projector. The main thing which put me off was the darkness of the unit, if Im going to be watching movies in low light then I might aswell get a projector right?, and keep my Sony TV for general daytime viewing. As our lounge is at the back we dont tend to get much light , so hopefully that will be a bonus. How does the projector fair in average light?, do you have to be in complete darkness for a good picture?.

    Thanks!
     
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    jrwod

    I found that watching films during average light wasn't that great - especially on darker sequences, however standard tv (the football for example) was fine, I could even hook the playstaion up and play that at about 3 in the afternoon!!

    Personally this is a great projector for me - affordable, perfect for my small ish room and bright enough.

    If you have a big budget then obviously this isn't for you, but for under £1500 I think this is the safest bet going.

    And to think I almost bought a Sharp XVC20!!
     
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    John & Noel, I'm about ready to buy a cx1 but have 2 questions first.

    1, when in 16:9 mode, projecting a 16:9 dvd onto a 16:9 screen will there be black bands above and below the screen, I ask this becouse it is a 4:3 projector, but I can only fit in a 16:9 screen. Will I have to use a 4:3 screen?<br />2,Can the projector be ceiling mounted, I do not have the space to fit the projector at a low level.
     
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    I wonder if this new one <a href="http://www.sonypresentations.com/images/product/X/VPL-HS1brch.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.sonypresentations.com/images/product/X/VPL-HS1brch.pdf</a> is any good?

    stick () around HS1brch.pdf

    choices ?! problem though it isnt XGA <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
     
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    Does the VPL-CX1 allow progressive scan?
     

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