Sony UBP-X1100ES 4K Blu-ray Player Review & Comments

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    1. Steve Withers

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      Nice review, thanks :) . Shame they've gone the route of Dolby Vision for everything on Netflix; I've been thinking about upgrading my X800 but I'll likely give the new range a miss. Do you know if it also does this if the TV/projector is not Dolby Vision (ie streams in DV and converts to HDR10 in the player - like the ATV4K) or does it stream in HDR10 in that case?

      Just a note on the 23.976 / 24Hz playback - you say they all play back at 24Hz. That would be a significant step back if correct. The old X800 seems quite unique among Netflix players (at least, I've not found another yet) in that it outputs 23.976 at 23.976, and 24 at 24. There is a mix of both kinds of content in the Netflix library now and players that don't get this right (eg the ATV4k, which outputs everything at 23.976) will see a frame skip every ~41s or so.

      There is some test content in the Netflix libraries for all the various framerates available here:
      Test Patterns | Netflix . "Triple Frontier" was the latest piece of real content I came across which was 24p and results in dropped frames on the ATV4k.
       
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      As far as I can tell it will stream HDR10 if the TV doesn't support Dolby Vision. With regards to the frame rate, that was just poorly worded on my part. It outputs 23.976 as 23.976 and 24 as 24. Sorry about the confusion, I've made that clearer now.
       
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      Ah, that's a step up from the ATV4K in that case which streams the DV regardless for Netflix. :)
       
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      @Steve Withers One more question - did you notice if the Netflix app is still switching frame rate for all the embedded trailers in the menus, too? The X800 does this and it is really annoying with something like the "old" JVC X7900 where the HDMI goes away for so long on refresh rate changes.

      So far I've been unable to find any player that for Netflix both does 23.976 and 24p, and also doesn't switch frame rates for the embedded trailers. ATV4k does the later but not the former, and vice-versa for the X800 :(
       
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      The rackmount option alone would tempt me from my UB820.

      I can't tell if this is 1U or 2U though?

      The height measurement stated in the specs is >1U, but wondering if that's including the feet which would be removed presumably when rack mounting, as it looks suspiciously 1Uish.

      @Steve Withers can you confirm the height of the chassis-only?
       
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      @Steve Withers - when playing a Dolby Vision disc, do you have to manually tell the player it's DV, like you do with the X700, or is it automatic now?
       
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      looks good, can it be made multi regional for blu ray playback-can see that the pioneers mentioned can be but not the Panasonic for some reason
       
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      @Steve Withers Is the Sony going to be HDR10+ as a future firmware upgrade? The Pioneer LX500/800 will be getting a firmware upgrade in the very near future, how near the very near future is, is something of a conundrum though.
       
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      Fantastic review Steve- the build quality on these Sony's is incredible...now if only Sony would include a remote with a backlight we would give it a "10"...
       
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      I got the Panasonic 9000,i asked about multi region,but it seems its very hard,and would need a lot of work,to get a multi region chip on to their board :(.
      I have still got the Oppo 103,which i use for multi region i:e region A blu rays,i only have about 3 SACD,and one DVD audio,so not to bother on that front.
      The thing is if my Oppo break down,it would now be unrepairable,and i have a lot of region A discs.
      So been looking at the Sony range as a replacement for my Oppo,the X800 MkII is due soon ?

      Decisions:(:D
       
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      This is wildly over priced, I think it’s pretty scandalous how Sony are charging such a premium over the M2 or even the 800 for essentially the same player, with annoying manual DV support and a few ‘enthusiast’ features. You can buy the x800 for about £200! It’s 90% the same machine!
       
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      I'd love to see some kind of shootout between players. I'm still really unconvinced that differences in picture quality between players is particularly noticeable. I would love to be proven wrong! I've been contemplating upgrading my Panasonic UB900 to get something with Dolby Vision. I just cant convince myself it'll be worth it...
       
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      In a blind test I think it would be almost impossible to tell!
       
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      Understand your surprise but nobody is forcing you to buy it!
      Yes, the x800 is a bargain if you don't want DV.
      This product is obviously for the elite market and enthusiasts who can afford it.
      I want this format and physical media to continue so I welcome with open arms all the new players being released.
       
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      Of course and that’s perfectly reasonable, the more choice the better. I just think it’s pretty outrageous to charge such a hefty premium for a product which is essentially the same as the M2 bar some very subtle changes aimed at installers. They are literally ripping ‘enthusiasts’ off when you consider the markup.
       
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      How can you possibly write a review about the X1100ES (or X800M2) and miss the major issue discussed on all dedicated forums, i.e. Dolby Vision as a manual option ?!
       
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      I would buy a 4k player if It had phono L+R outputs, only the pioneer and this Sony do as far as I can see. Unfortunately they're still pretty expensive but in the future I'm interested in using that feature to use it as a cd player to incorporate into my stereo and still hook up with the TV via HDMI for films. One to put on the list then.
       
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      Panasonic UB820 has 7.1 outputs and two of them can be used as L+R. Same applies for the more expensive UB9000.
      The front left and right outputs of this 7.1-channel set of connectors double for a dedicated analogue stereo output. Panasonic DP-UB820 4K Blu-ray Player Review
       
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      Sorry I don't have it any more, so I can't measure the chassis.
       
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      You have to select Dolby Vision in the menu, but after that it automatically plays DV discs.
       
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      I don't know.
       
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      Yes the remote is a disappointment.
       
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      Your guess is as good as mine on that one.
       
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      As long as the players aren't doing anything they shouldn't, you won't be able to tell one player from another in a blind test.
       
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      You turn Dolby Vision on in the menu, but I don't understand what you mean by manual option?
       
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      Maybe the wording is bad.
      Actually when you select [Dolby Vision Output] -> [On] it forces Dolby Vision output both for Dolby Vision and HDR10 content, which doesn't make any sense.

      There is no automatic mode (unlike any other competitor - Panasonic, LG or Oppo) which would output HDR10 with HDR10 content and Dolby Vision with Dolby Vision content.

      This was the major complain from customers about the X700 and still is now about the X800M2 and X1100ES.
      I think it should be the major cons in any review. Sony sadly don't listen to customer feedbacks. Maybe they would listen to reviewers if they pointed it out?
       
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      That's a good point, I should make that clear in the review because it is annoying.
       
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      Been told its where Panasonic place their board on their players,right against the back of the player,making it hard to get a multi region kit on to the board.

      :)
       
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      I guess this one does not decode DTS to DD?

      Also, other than build quality and HD audio, what would be the reason to upgrade from a x700?
       

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