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Sony launch A Series OLED and XE Series Ultra HD 4K TVs in UK

Discussion in 'Sony TVs Forum' started by Steve Withers, Feb 3, 2017.


    1. davidcrofter

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      Plus LG are due to have a pilot inkjet Oled line up and running in the first half of this year, whether it will bear any fruit is anyone's guess though.
       
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      If xe93 has a contrast 10 times better than standard and the zd9 is quoted at 16 times, anyone knows what this means in actual fact? Is that good enough subject to testing obviously?
      I am trying to extrapolate versus the known contrast of the zd9 everything else equal.
      Can someone help extrapolate what this could mean for the xe93 (the xe90 is quoted as half the contrast of the xe93)

      This has been shown in the French and German review. Thanks in advance
       
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      I couldn't find a Sony claim for ZD9 peak brightness, but let's assume it can display a black spot of 0.02cd/m² and a highlight of 3200cd/m² on screen at the same time.

      That would give the XE93 a peak brightness of 2000cd/m² and the XE90 a peak brightness of 1000cd/m².

      But peak brightness is for highlights, so you need a screen capable of controlling the backlight in small enough zones that it can just pump out the high values for those highlights without brightening the rest of the picture.

      If the XE90 has smaller dimming zones then it could reproduce HDR better in practice despite it's lower peak brightness.

      So far the direct lit screens have been much better at that than the edge-lit, which is why I find the XE90 more interesting than the XE93.
       
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      Interesting, thank you
      I am not familiar with this.
      I was just hoping that if the zd9 contrast was 1.1000 000 000 then the xe93 could be playing in the 1.500 000 territories

      Obviously your approach is much more logical and the peak brightness numbers confirm what I had in mind too versus zd9 (even if the xe93 seems a bit high)

      I will have to wait and see. The x1 extreme performance and Dolby/hlg are important considerations for me...
       
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      the pattern on average affordable direct-lit models seems to mainly include IPS type panels.
      I know the more flagship FALD sets use VA...
      So if one prefers better viewing angles over black detail and contrast then the IPS panel will be preferred and vice versa for VA, contrast/blacks over viewing angles.
      IPS panels inherently need better backlight control but I prefer the latter.
      At the mid to high price-point these sets drop fairly fast in price too.

      As a side note, If the A1 wasn't revealed I'd prob have jumped all over an XE93(may still depending on ability/price) which looks like serious value with the incremental improvements
       
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      Why would Sony release a direct lit screen with more local dimming zones than the XE93? which has I think 64 zones and edge dimming "slim backlight drive", I am struggling to understand why Sony would release a TV that has 128-256 zones direct lit dimming, at 1000-1500, with the 64 zone edge lit being 2000-3000.
       
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      I assume the XE93 will have better PQ than the 90. We still don't know if the 90 is VA or IPS or how many zones it has and we already know it doesn't have X1 Extreme. It is a little odd that it's FALD for less than the 93 but I can't see Sony making it the better model for less money. Plus I have a 65-XD93 and Slim Backlight Drive definitely works so the XE93 with twice as many zones should be awesome.
       
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      Disregarding the amount of dimming zones A FALD XE94 or SBD XE93 will run rings around a direct-lit set with a more flawed dimming system.
      IMO it makes sense at the PQ level and cost level that the XE90 will use the style narrative like the X90C, or be frame dimming set like the 65" direct-lit VA X850C, or more likely frame dimming edge-lit VA 55inch model.

      You seldom get better for less nowadays regarding quality TV sets and quality AV.
      (disregarding price drops)
       
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      Not sure I am following you. You saying that the xe90 fald is not as good as the xe93 edge + because of a poorer local dimming ? Just trying to understand

      The xd93 last year was an awesome TV with flaws. If they improved the zones and boosted the processing power with direct impact on pq and OS experience...
      happy days !!!

      Price however if too high will mean most people will consider oled sony or probably lg
       
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      Yes this is my point, they could do a lot better by making the XE93 direct lit, then having the lower XE90 as the edge lit dynamic drive+. The XE93 was quite good for edge dimming, but compared to FALD etc. It could be a lot better, I don't know why they did not use a cut down version of the ZD9, for example 128-256 zones. They might have done this with the XE90, but again it seems odd they would make the lower TV with better dimming.
       
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      Not sure I am following you. You saying that the xe90 fald is not as good as the xe93 edge + because of a poorer local dimming ? - Goldarak.

      Yes I suppose I am. If they follow through to form using an IPS panel with a direct-backlight. IE putting out a set lower down the range with a faux superior lighting system.
      Look at some of the light-bleed pics on the X90c, Its among the worst i have ever seen. Also From what I see personally on an forums, comment threads etc,
      A lot of TV panels with no dimming or even later frame dimming are just a disaster buy and IPS with an inherent brighter nature, brings about more affected panels.
      Some will say VA is just as bad as its the lighting system...but IMO VA are better night-time TV where IPS are a brighter daytime watch so the backlight flaws, even after some calibration, will show up more esp. at night.
      A lot of VA panels are badly affected too but are easier to control.
      (uh oh here come people with IPS panels:eek:)

      Sorry for going off-topic. The XE93 is good value rgds PQ vs OLED @ £1700 imo.
       
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      My guess they will charge £2799 for 55" A1 OLED, and £3999 for a 65" screen
       
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      If the XE90 is IPS, then that would completely explain it, if the XE90 has similar VA to the XE93, but has FALD with 128 zones etc. then that would be odd. I don't think that will happen though but could be wrong I do not know. it is also possible to have direct lit with no dimming, or direct lit with very low zones etc. so could be that.
       
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      As you have said, also I agree, cant see them purposefully putting out a superior XE90 FALD SET Vs the edge type XE93 LD set.
      But maybe they will have some sort of full array system like the X94C which is pre slim backlight drive?
      My heart was set immediately on a commercial Sony OLED as soon as I read about it.
      But if I must make do with the seemingly brilliant XE93 until OLED comes down to around £2k so be it.
      I am still using the X85C and I think it was great for what I paid.
       
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      Fully agree
      For me is even more simple
      -55zd9 and they could have done anything they want after, will not care less if normal fald or edge plus..
      Problem is that xe90 has nothing to do with the technology in the zd9
       
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      Well as soon as I saw the A1 I wanted it as well, but then I think it will be 2999, which is a lot, especially considering that 1 year later, there will possibly / probably, be 120HZ HFR OLED, which with 120hz output, they should be able to do some very nice processing of 24hz.
       
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      And the never ending story continues...
      Tired of waiting. This year it is and will worry later what I may miss
       
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      I reckon Sony has a winner with a competitive priced OLED starting out @ £2799, but we all know Sony.
      There's a rumour of a 100k panel limit, If its 100k per model or 100k total?
      If its per model they should drop in price as per the usual TV market.
      I'm not familiar with LG OLED sales vs stock only that I know I can buy a 55inch B6 for €2000 or 1 of multiple €1400 EG-910 1080P models that are still in my local store warehouse
       
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      I read that they are not making a huge amount, so depends how many they have left in 14 months, maybe they would drop to current E6 prices but I think probably 2500 or more. Considering the xe9305 is 2000-3000 and the ZD9 is 3400.

      For example NOW compared to a B6/E6 OLED, the Sony ZD9 you get better motion and sony processing etc. but when you can get the Sony OLED which is OLED and the sony X1 chip, not sure why people would spend more on the ZD9. Actually the 65" ZD9 will probably slot in between the 55" and 65" OLED.
       
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      Same story here, I was waiting for 3-4 years already. But when I heard that they got rid of most of the issues (banding, vignetting) on 2016 models, decided to take a plunge and I couldn't be happier :)

      There will always be minor advances in technology every year, so you could wait forever... Just wait until the announce 8k TVs lol
       
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      Looks like prices are on some european websites

      XE9305 - 55in - €2600
      XE9305 - 65in - €3700
      XE9405 - 75in - €6500

      XE9005 - 55in - €2100
      XE9005 - 65in - €3000
      XE9005 - 75in - €5500
       
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      I see the European price for A1 55" is pegged at €3799 and the 65 is €5499.
       
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      Care to share a link please?
       
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      4k.com
       
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      so that translates into £3599 for 55" and £5499 for 65? Ouch....I can't even imagine what 65 panny OLED will cost
       
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      £3239 for 55" as at exchange rate. €1.00 buys £0.85 or £1.00 buys € 1.17
       
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      yeah, like they take into account exchange rates. You all know best case scenario its going to be 1:1 ratio, cause of brexit, trump, russian hackers, bad weather, poor crops of grapes in France etc...
       
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      Seriously ? That expensive ?
      Doesn't make sense. 55a1 should be at around £2700 rpp then 65zd9 £3200 and 65a1 at £4200
      The xe93 and lg oled looks very interesting suddenly as no way on earth can I afford such prices even with 10 percent discount
       
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