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Sony KV32-LS60 or KV32-LS35

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  1. Zarch

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    Sony KV32-LS60 or KV32-LS35

    I am going to purchase a 32" widescreen TV and i've narrrowed it to down to the above Sony models.

    Is the only difference between these 2 models the 100hz processing?

    I have read that 100hz processing, if implemented badly can make the picture look worse,
    especially on fast moving images. Is it possible to switch this processing off when
    watching football etc.

    My main input sources are a SKY digibox and a Toshiba 210 DVD player.

    So my question really is..... Is the LS60 worth the extra £150?

    Your help would be greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Mick Wall
    Sheffield
     
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    I compared the 2 side by side in my local shop for over an hour, watching different sources including fast moving sports action.

    Finally went for the LS60, and it has been superb, well worth the extra. Never had a problem with watching footbal etc.

    To be honest the only time I have noticed any sort of problem is when there is text scrolling across the screen, but I think this is a problem on all 100Hz machines, and is not worth being put off by.
     
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    Also I like to add

    The LS60 got 3 scart socket and the LS35 got 2
     
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    The LS60 has 3 SCARTs of which 2 are RGB capable. You need these for the digibox and the DVD player. The third SCART is composite and ideal for a video recorder.

    The LS35, from what I remember, only has 2 SCARTs and only one is RGB capable, so you'd need an external switch to connect up your DVD and digibox on RGB (assuming you want the best picture quality for both).

    The LS60 100Hz is non-DRC which means none of the digital artifacts associated with the "intelligent" processing in other 100Hz TVs (supposed to improve resolution etc.). As I understand it, the LS60 is pure analogue 100Hz, intended only to double the scan rate and thus reduce flicker.

    The LS60 also has the ability to store loads of Teletext pages; the LS35 does not. I didn't think this would bother me much but I find it makes a hell of a difference not having to hang around for the mind-numbingly slow updates on the text when I'm using it.

    Squirrel God for one has posted some excellent info. about the LS60 (he has a 28" model; I've got the 32" flavour). His tight little review of the KV28LS60 was one of the reasons I went for the 32" version of this set.

    You can find his review by clicking HERE

    There is a bit of blurring with the LS60 on fast horizontal scrolling of titles, but to be honest I don't find that to be much of an issue. I watch a fair amount of football on it (i.e. lots of fast moving action) and I don't detect any blurring problems with this.

    Do a forums search on KV32LS35 and KV28LS60 and you should turn up a fair bit of good stuff.
     
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    Elsie

    I am asking on behalf of a mate, he ask do you see a slight flicker on your Ls60 on sky ie look at the sky info banner and see if it flicker where the yellow part is. As my mate flickers a slightly in which he is not too sure if he happy about it after seeing my FX66 lastnight as he said HECK no flicker look rock solid.
     
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    I'll have a look tonight. Can't say I've ever noticed. What I can say is that a relative of mine has a 50Hz 32" Panasonic TV and the flicker on his set is certainly noticeable. I watch the LS60 at a distance of about eight feet or so and I don't notice any irritating flicker from there.
     
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    That be good of you if you can let me know. I agree my last tv was a 32" 50 hz tv and that flicker easy to see more than what my mates LS60 does. But the LS60 well his does flicker a bit, I think since he seen mine he not put off LOL
     
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    Addendum ...

    The FX66 is a digital 100Hz set; the LS60 is analogue. There may be a bit of digital 'processing going on to further reduce perceived flicker on the FX66, but others on this forum may be able to comment further on this.

    Even if there is a wee bit of flicker perceivable at close quarters on the LS60, it doesn't bother me from where I'm watching it so I'll live with it. In a straight contest I'd rather that than any nasty digital artifacts due to digital processing on the DRC sets.
     
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    Yeah I know about the different I keep telling him mine is a different 100hz as it digital plus bla bla bla.

    It very good and clear for most things. Just one thing I just need to find the best way is for football but getting there it much better now than it was when first set up.

    Apart from that it a smashing tv I like it very much. DVD play a treat
     
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    Rookies.

    It looks like THIS current thread has some very pertinent info. on the very subject that we are discussing. In relation to 100Hz DRC the comment 'rock solid' is made concerning the picture stability. This would appear to go a long way to explaining why your FX66 has no discernible flicker at close quarters.
     
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    Hi.

    Was reading that but it 100 DRC they talking about which is on the FQ80

    Mine is 100hz Digital Plus which Is different isnt it?
     
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    Elsie knows her stuff :D
     
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    where you thinking of buying from?
     
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    Sony Centre, Meadowhall.

    LS60 - 5 year garauntee and a "dvd for a tenner" for £1060. And thats without any haggling!! :)
     
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    break the cost down

    how much tv
    how much warrenty etc?
     
  16. Zarch

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    Yeah, i know.

    But to get the 5 year warranty and the TV at any on-line dealer i've seen is £1000 anyway.... so i get the dvd for £60 which I sell on ebay or something.

    Plus i'm getting from a proper shop (sony centre), so i can walk in there and complain etc in needed.... not wait an hour on some premium rate helpline from where ever i buy it from!!

    Thats what i'm thinking!!
     
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    But what I am saying why not buy from JL. I saw the 28" of the ls60 for £590 at Cheadle JL a few weeks back. Not sure what the 32" was. Mind you the price might of change now but I aint sure. But MY mate got the 28" one from Sheffield JL and told them about Cheadle JL bla bla bla So he got his at that price.

    Even thoug FX66 sets are going from £850 - £900 from JL these days from members on this board getting price match and that include 5 yrs warrenty.
     
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    ok then.... What prices have people picked up a KV32-LS60 for? and from where? :)

    Cheers

    Mick
     
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    Not exactly a bargain at Comet....
    £932 for the TV and £302 for the 5year warranty! £1234!

    Okay i'll tell you the cheapest i've found.

    KV32-LS60 (with 5 year warranty)

    PRCdirect £994 + £39 delivery
    Sony Centre £1049 + £40 delivery + a dvd player for £10
    Unbeatable £1018 + £27.80 delivery

    Anyone got one cheaper than that? :confused:
     
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    So get a Barclaycard and price match.

    Forget Comet and every other supplier for a moment, I'm not commenting on them or anyone else - just want to make a general point.

    Anyone who's been through the long drawn out process of buying a TV will tell you that the cheapest supplier is not always the best supplier, and you will find many members who wished they'd paid more so that they got decent customer service afterwards when things go wrong (which they often do when buying a TV).

    Whatever you do, don't just buy on price - be very careful :)
     
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    Squirrel,

    Thats why i think my local Sony centre would be the best bet!!
    Not exactly the cheapest, but not far off.

    "walk-in" customer service, no phone lines to call etc when things go wrong. The manager in there seems pretty spot on when i've talked to him too.

    Or do Sony Centre's get a thumbs down on here?? Surely not!! :)
     
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    I think you should do a search - and I'd say that about any retailer you were thinking of :)
     
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    Sorry Squirrel, I dont understand you reply!!
     
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    [​IMG] the forum for comments on Sony Centre (and whichever other retailers you're thinking of using) so you can read about user experiences :)
     
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    Mick

    You dont need to find the tv with 5 years warrenty for JL to match. JL provide the 5 years warrenty free of charge.

    All you need to do is find a place that sells the KV32LS60 that got a shop cheap. Forget about the extended warrenty as you dont need it as JL PROVIDE it free with all big tv's

    IE RGB DIRECT sell the set for include stand £826.99 All you need to do is provide JL RGB contact details etc and they will ring them to check price and get back to you so end of the day if your lucking you could get this tv for around £830 with FREE 5 years warrenty.

    This is just one place but there be other place maybe cheaper if you look
     
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    Here another place that is good and I believe JL price match against them. Electro Centre LTD

    www.electrocentre.co.uk

    The currently have it on there site inc stand for £789
     
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    Had a peek last night and yes there is a slight flicker on the Sky banners when you're up close to the set. As I said previously, however, when sat at a normal viewing distance it's undetectable (or at least it is to my poor old eyes). It really all comes down to personal choice and whether your friend would be prepared to live with this. It doesn't bother me and I would still go for the LS60 if I were buying a widescreen set today.

    I love me telly almost as much as me wireless set dearie :D
     
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    Oh young Squirrel you do flatter me :blush:

    I'm just a confused old biddy with a big telly. It's all these three letter acronyms floating about the AV world that leave me in a pickle. I can never remember, for example, what DVD and VCR and CRT mean- and yet I find that I have no problem with KYJ :confused:

    Strange that :D
     
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    :eek: Too much information Elsie :eek: :D
     

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